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Yes please post a list.  I have a 2008 Trooper that has sat for 4yrs..  I would like to upgraded to the larger brakes.  

The dual rate set up, I posted couple with the stated valving makes for a great ride. 

What is the length of your shocks?

I would like to apologize to anyone that may have been offended, by my language.  Especially the author of this topic. 

On 6/9/2017 at 6:38 PM, Travis said:

I have RIGHT to express my feelings SEE YOU IN PM!!!

Now we know where we stand.

Hey [removed language] take your flag and stick it [removed language]!  This is an off road vehicle forum.

I like that, nice. 

Are the upgrade kits used on front diff's as  well  as the rear?

Greg 

3 hours ago, silverbullet said:

silverbullet

Where you the one i spoke to Yesterday on the differential.For the trooper let me know 928 344 2117

Rick

yes

Hey Rich, I left a message with my ph#.  give me a call please.  

Thanks 

Greg 

Rich I will give you a call tomorrow for the specifics. 

Greg 

Will they have the "Lenny" upgrade?  

Do you still have the upgraded diffs?

Thanks.  I thought about making longer tie rods, just to get the pivot points closer to the a-arms pivot points.  I'm not sure it would help since I wouldn't be able to line them up.  Be interested  in what you come up with.

Okay 125lb is too light.  125lb felt really good in the choppy trails, but fast trails with small whoops and elevation changes bottomed the shocks easily.  I figured since my shocks had a 7" stroke, the rod ends were binding the suspension.  I put some cable ties on the shafts and found out I was using the full stroke.  Once I got the buggy home I confirmed that this set up yields 10" of wheel travel,  Mentioned in another thread by 2scoops.  

So I will run a dual rate setup.  Just installed my new hardware. 

150lb primary rate 

250lb tender spring 

400lb main spring

2 hours ago, silverbullet said:

Silverbullet

Our shocks are complete springs resvar dual rate included I have used Walker-Evans on my renegade long travel.Great shock but expensive.For the average guy with a trooper these just bolt on and your done.Joyner has done all the work on the set up.Is there always better yes dose every body have your skills no.I give options to you guys you make the choice.We have sold a lot of the 28" and 32" shock for the Viper.Price can't be beat.I have never used FOA shocks so i can't compare.But they look good and we are going to carry the rebuild kits at our shop.So parts no problem.1 year warranted.

Silverbullet I think that's great, I really do.  I found FOA (in my own backyard) after I went through 2 sets of stock shocks, in less that 2 years.  This was my Joyner 250.  When I bought the second pair, it was out of frustration.  At that time Buggy World and Fox were making a air shock for the 250, so I paid for a pair.    Between Fox's holiday schedule, and Buggy World moving, 2 months passed with no shocks, so I asked for a refund.   During the interim I started reading  up on shocks, and decided i didn't want air shocks.   However searching for a shock to bolt on turn up nada.  So when I talked to FOA they were happy to oblige,  they even machined the spring retainers so we could use the stock springs.  Still only one other SV250 owner stepped up to buy a pair of rear shocks.  If anyone can appreciate your effort it's me.  

Greg  

Hey Silver bullet.  The 2.5" goes for $210 for the basic shock, about $260 with dual rate hardware, springs are additional.  I have had good results with FOA, they are local, and they treat me well.  I have 1pr of FOA shocks on each of my buggies(3), and for the Joyners they made the length shock I wanted.  The information to rebuild the shock is on the website, so I've learned to service my shocks, and play with the tuning. 

I also have Fox, and Walker Evans shocks.   They are better shocks,  fit, finish, new technology, although getting information can be challenging.   For instance I have a set of piggybacks on my single seat that need servicing.  So far I only see one source for parts.  The fore mention shocks are take offs or new, built for other off road vehicles.  I will say Walker Evans was helpful so I've serviced their shocks.   If you buy the off the shelf shocks the info is there, but there are a lot of good deals for rzr take offs that are adjustable, and they fit the rear of the Trooper.

Get rid of the stock throw aways, for the same price get a serviceable FOA.

more pics look at that nice Walker Evans piston.

Installed my front shocks today.  I had the shocks made 21.3" long to get max droop, with no modifications.   Currently they have 125lb springs (free) which look to be a little light with a 1/2" of preload.  The shock calculator recommends 153lb , I'll probably end up buying 150lb, but not until I try the 125's.    

So the initial set up. 

FOA 2.5 remote res

light/med  valving on both comp and rebound

125lb 12" springs

Greg 

23 hours ago, 2scoops said:

This is as good as you can get.  Custom shock hoops, lowered diff, aftermarket shocks to equal about 12.5 to 13" of travel. The cv's are ultimately what limit us from more. This is plenty for rock crawling but not enough for big high speed whoops. I have contemplated longer A arms, but I got this dialed in right now and I don't really want to mess with it anymore.  Also,  I would need to source longer axle shafts.

Your rig looks good.  I'm pretty sure I seen a video of it in action.   There was a rock climb with a razor that need help, your Trooper plus another Trooper made the climb pretty easy, with the long wheelbase.  

With my Trooper I'm hoping to get more articulation (heims and hms) with the tie rods.   That should give me more travel on the compression stroke.   I should be able to pick up an inch or two of droop with longer shocks.  

Here are pictures of my home built, and Sand Viper 250 converted, to 600cc long travel buggy

2008 T2

Well after searching tie rod ball joint I see this problem been going on for a while.  Since the ball joint is acting like a "bump stop" they need frequent replacement.  I'm going to replace the ball joints with heims and misalignment spacers.  Hopefully I can get the articulation I want.  At the very least allow the a-arms to cycle for respectable wheel travel

2008 T2

Hey guys I'm ready to buy my shocks, but need some info.  When I try cycling the front suspension, the suspension binds up, when the tie rod ball joint is at approximately 90 degrees.  Which from stock is close to 8" wheel travel.  Once I unbolt the tie rod and stock shock, I easily get 13"+ wheel travel.    Are my stock replacement tie rod ball joints defective?    Have you guys replaced the ball joints to get maximum travel?  Are you guys using heims with misalignment spacers?

Greg 

Spring rates I am running:

Front 350 over 225

Rear 550 over 550

Thank you, really appreciate the info. I know I have 2 sets of 350lb and a pair of 200lb springs. I have a pair of 600lb also, so it looks like I have some good stuff for starters. Do you remember your droop percentage?

I modified my entire suspension and my spring rates won't work for a stock set up. I have written a lot about my suspension on this forum and you should be plenty of info if you search. There are others on here that have listed spring rates that work for a stock suspension.

It still would be nice to know what you are running. As far as searching goes, there is a ton of inconclusive information. You can find bits of what people initially tried, but I've yet to find numbers on what someone runs and is satisfied with the results. Now there are a couple of posts with satisfied members running air shocks. Personally I'm not interested in air shocks. Actually I have a buggy I will be selling, but prior to selling I am removing the shocks. I have 3 pair on this particular buggy, one pair of Walker Evans (piggy back), Fox (piggy back) FOA ( remote res), so scratch the brand of shocks, what about springs rates. The rear being the most important, I would hate to buy 4 springs that won't work.

That's right but nocturnalsixer put joyner renegade diffs on he's trooper front & rear

Are they stronger?