I have a 2009 Trooper that when I first start it it runs great but after about a min it starts to cut out under acceleration but clears out when it gets revved up. I downloaded the manual from Joyner-usa.com but it doesn't help much, Mine doesn't have a OBD port on it and my son who is a mechanic said he can wire one in if we have a wiring diagram for the CPU but the wiring diagram of the CPU that is in the manual is for a 3 cylinder engine. The manual talks about a MIL light that can flash out a code but I don't know where that is and even if I did find it they don't tell me how to read it. I have tried the coil and the map sensor and that didn't help I checked the TPS and it checks OK. I emailed Joyner and all I got from them is there should be a OBD port on it and then they said they checked and found some don't have it, No help from them. Anybody run into this problem or know were I can turn to get some help on this, even a good wiring diagram of the CPU would be a big help.
Thanks for you help
By The wrench
Good Afternoon fellow UTV board members. I am Matt, the mechanic that used to work for Rich at Silver Bullet Motorsports. Time to let the cat out of the bag and you can interpret the following as you see fit.
For the past almost three years I have worked for Richard and I have done everything from handling parts orders, rebuilding/building custom engines, to setting up and building his online store, to running the business. On several occasions I have more then bent over backwards for the man, going with out pay checks, dealing with his personal threats against me and the whole host of his little psychotic episodes. I even went as far as to rebuild relationships with companies that said they would no longer work with him. So, yeah.. that's me.
Now that I no longer work for Richard. Here's the real deal. He does not have any real inventory. If there are people's buggies at the shop he will snatch parts off of them in order to get buggies with rebuilt engines and "new" parts out the door. He will put off customers parts orders for weeks because he does not have the capital to support the order at that moment. There are customers who have ordered parts last year that I know still has not gotten them. He has no system for tracking orders. I could go on and on however, I'll let others speak,
"The owner does not pay his employees my husband just got out of the military and the guy hired him at first paid him weekly then it went to every 2 weeks then the guy has told him that it was going to be per project but then went back to every two weeks we haven't seen a pay check in over 1.5 months besides what my husband had done on the project. So if you get ur work done there might at well go straight to the guys that actually did the work" from google business review
"I bought a “brand new” 650 motor from Rich about August of 16. Nothing but problems from the motor. For the next year he took care of everything that was wrong. I kept having the same problem with the motor so he asked me to ship it to him, so I did. That was 6/7/17. I still DONT have the motor, every time I email him to ask about my motor, it takes him about a week to respond and he doesn’t answer my phone calls. When he does email me, he asks me to “be patient, he needs to get some bigger projects done to get cash flow.” 4 months is pretty damn patient if you ask me" from google business review
"Worst online sale I've had. A month after my order was "shipped" I spent a day trying to get a hold of them, after I finaly got a hold of someone he said "I'm looking at your parts right here, didn't shop them out because we where missing a part but I think I can find one I will have it shipped out today." So a week later I get a tracking number! You would think that was the end, 10mins later I get an email that the tracking number has been canceled now when I call I get forwarded to a voice mail box that's full" from google business review
By far the best review and insight into the inner workings of SilverBullet Motorsports and the owner Rich
"Rich has failed repeatedly. Now threatens me to remove this post or else. Call Feb 2 finally get him on the phone again takes my address card number and all says parts are leaving that day. He runs my card on the 3rd Friday. I wait to receive invoice or receipt something in email got nothing call Monday he says oh I forgot to ship it get it out right now I'm driving it to get ex because they picked up today already. Good. No. Wednesday I call again because it's been another 2 days and still no receipt no parts no tracking number call again he takes my name and all says he can't find paperwork he will call back. Calls back tells me they will be there Saturday. Your Tim right? No my name is Josh you just asked me that and wrote it down 30 minutes ago. Oh ok hold on let me call you back. No call back. Call again Friday no answer. I email him the next Monday again now it's fab 12th and still not even a receipt. No tracking number I email asking where the f### my parts are because I've been very nice and understanding cuz he jokes has old and forgetful but now I've had enough. He says he still hasn't sent them has going to send them thursday.. So I placed or older feb 2nd ran card the 3rd it's the 12th and still has not sent anything. Not even a receipt. I he says he will discount some parts on my next order for my trouble so I tell him I want the electronic power steering he tells me the best he can do the same as what they are selling it online for. So he won't even discount anything to try and makes this right. Its now the 13th and he asks me for my address again at 4oclock in the afternoon. So he still has not sent anything. He didn't fail to get my card information and run it back on the 3rd no. I have never dealt with a more unprofessional company personnel in my life. I will never order anything from them again. And I strongly urge no one else to either. Maybe after seeing this review they will take another look at how they run their business because I personally have 3 joyners and intended on purchasing thousands of dollars worth of stuff from them to build each one but they won't even discount a part to make it right. Or even expedite the shipping so I can finally get it sooner. Cuz I asked for that too since they still have not sent you know. Nope standard 2-3 is the best we can do he says. So everything I just said was from the 13th it's now the 14th and he still has not shipped. Just today alone rich said they shipped it should be there at your house. Then said fed ex screwed up about the 4th time he said fed ex screwed up. Long story short lie after lie he has told now the 14th no parts have shipped he still took my money. And will not let you talk to anyone else when you call so I assume he is the owner not sure but if someone besides rich owns this company and would like to talk please respond and I will gladly let you know how incompetent your employ Rich is. I have someone else call and ask to speak with someone else there and he will not let them ask how.much something is he tells him a different more expensive price than was advertised on website and he says I don't care what website says. Also says to him a guy pretending to want wheel bearings that he would like to order some he says China is on 2 week holiday and is not shipping. But advertises wheel bearing as German wheel bearings. Why are German wheel bearings coming from China. I'd like to add that now Feb 17th I have finally received refund after disputing the charges with my bank and have begun to receive threats on the 18th from the business owner who also apparently answers to Frankie but it's Mr Ricardo. That I need to take down my review or else. He subject line the email. See how you feel with them on your back better look over your back. But I think he means watch your back. Don't allow this man to bully you. If you have purchased something from him and feel mistreated or scammed please write a review and take the proper course of action"
I know this has been a long read however, I feel that people should know what type of business SilverBullet Motorsports is. There are several other parts dealers both in the country and online that you as customer would be better off spending you money with.
Cheers. Matt aka The Wrench
By Whisper Snowbird
Fuel pump runs but nothing is getting tô it. I tried putting a vacuum on the outlet hose of pump and it wouldn't pull anything. This machine sat for a year and a half unused. Is there a way to prime the lines? What could be the cause of the fuel not getting tô the pump?
Dealers - - - also see http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__16044 & http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__16045
No Limits Powersports in Arlington Texas - Contact Jarrad (Snowman6479). (817)695-1151 http://www.joyner-atv-utv.com/
Silver Bullet Motorsports in Yuma Arizona - Contact (silverbullet). (928) 344-2117 http://www.silverbul...otorsports.net/
Thin Air Powersports in Spring Creek Nevada - Contacts Tim (Anylizer) or Amanda (Long Track Lady) (775)753-8223 http://www.thinairpowersports.com/
McCoy Motorsports in Pikeville Kentucky - Contact Art (Art) (606)432-1556 http://www.tobefast....sa-c-63727.html
Mudslingers Motorsports, Alberta, Canada, Trevor Carson (780) 576-2860 cell: (780) 984-2711 http://www.mudslinge...website_006.htm
Joyner USA In Phoenix Arizona - Contact Brandon Deruiter Office (480) 882-9612 Email [email protected] Web site Joyner-usa.com
I also take suggestions for any and everyone!!
parts & pieces from dealer in Germany
AIR FILTER K&N RU-1000, RC-4160, and another link
If you have the new 09 filter box, w/ Fram # CA-7764
ALTERNATOR BELT 14mmx 755mm replacement that works....Carquest #K040292
Alternator Belt - Checkers Auto Parts KO40292 - Exact Match
Battery, according to 2 scoops, Duralast 51-DL is the correct size.
Troopers with Thread Size 20X1.5 MM can use:
WIX 51347, 51334 --- Napa 1347, 1334, PS1334 --- Fram PH6010A, PH3593A
Troopers with Thread Size 3/4X16 " can use:
Fram PH4967, Napa 1394 & Wix 5194 (slightly longer than original, Wix 51396 (even longer yet).
OIL COOLER See thread, http://www.utvboard....768-oil-cooler/
Oil Pressure Gauge Replacement
Zorro found some at his Local Marine Supply store
Sending Unit -- TeleFlex Morse Part # IA15001 0-80 psi, 240-33 ohm
Gauge -- TeleFlex Morse Part # 57903P 0-80 psi, 240-33 ohm
Manufactured by Veethree Elec. & Marine LLC
together cost aprox $80.00
Says it fits the existing hole perfectly Thanks Zorro
Plumber added this reference; http://www.spydertal...pressure-gauge/ which Crosses over to a Sierra part# 01858990
IMHO--I would move the the sender away from the exhaust manifold.
FUEL FILTER replacement, Fram Fuel Filter G4777
FUEL PUMP replacement, Bosch 0 580 254 910 According to Brostar, (Thank You!!)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hayg-OEM-Inline-Fuel-Pump-0-580-254-910-0580254910-New-/230568738342#vi-content (updated 05-2015)
PRE FILTER KNN-RC-4160-DK prefilter
HEAD LIGHT REPLACEMENT Sylvania H5006 replaces the whole bulb, It works sooooo much better than the original.
SPARK PLUGS NGK Iridium BKR5EIX-11, NGK 2387, NGK BKR7ES-11, Bosh 3311, Denso Iridium plug 5310 IK22
CV Boot Kit There appears to be a difference between inner and outer boots, I used a NAPA CVB6862340 for my outer rear, fit good but not tightly on the CV end, I held it on with Tyraps
Autozone part # 03606. Comes with bands and grease for $11.99, quick/split boot. K2181 95 Geo Metro $15.99
NAPA #686-2149 fits for the Troopers inner CV. It's a speck tight but only about 1/16".(Lenny)
Napa 686-2181 CV Boot from a 95 Geo Metro.
Norrec Industries then Application, then UTV, then look up joyner, they have them all
Polaris CV Boot Kit # 2203438, (PR-8061)
Also see CV boot for driveline? - UTV BOARD - Side X Side and UTV Forum
Valves shims are 25mm, Joyner shims start at 2.18 and increase in increments of .02 up to 2.80, The Honda shims come out of CB450s and GL1100s, start at 2.30 and increase in increments of .05
Master Electrical Switch Key
Make your own, it's easy, I did, just in case mine breaks.
At the suggestion of one of our members, here's some info on the gas gauge sending unit.
3 ohms is full, 13 ohms is 3/4, 23 ohms is 1/2, 63 ohm is 1/2, 110 ohms is empty.
Electrical readings are: F=0.75v-98ma, 3/4=1.91v-82ma, 1/2=2.7v-71ma, 1/4=3.3v-62ma, 0=4.1v-52ma, E=5.0v-39ma
0 is top of red zone, E is bottom of red zone.
Manuals and Information
Trooper T2 weights, 380lb. on each front wheel, 480 lb. on left rear, 520 on right rear TOTAL = 1760 pounds
down load this and save it!!!!
Torque Values Select Your type of bolt at the top. http://www.engineers...bles/torque.htm
My Snorkel Made from a Sears ShopVac 7' Hose and the Extension Wand,
Oil Drain QuickOilDrainValve.com
the best way to change oil, IMHO Kinarfi
Fram Sure Drain #SD3
Paint as recommended by Brostar: http://www.zynolyte..../rustmaster.asp
Supplier of parts in General
Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies - Home Page
Discount Hydraulic Hose.com
Tie Rod Dust Boot, Checker Auto#13566
Rod End / Heim Joint Seals , http://pitstopusa.co...-end-seals.html, thanks rocmoc
Ball Joint Rod Ends AKA Heim Joints
16 x2.0mm threat, 16mm ID, 21 mm thick,
I got mine at McMaster-Carr 4483T36
PTFE/Kevlar Insert, M16 x 2.0 x 40.mm shank, 21,966 lb static radial load capacity, 23°, $25.60 ea. or $204.80 for 8
14 Inch Tires That fit our Stock Wheels Note that the stock lug bolt pattern is 4 X 115
STEEL WHEELS http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__10804
JC Whitney for all Auto parts - Car, Truck, Jeep, Motorcycle & RV Parts
Interco Tires SSR-24R - INTERCO SSR Series Tire - Quadratec
Interco Tires SAM-12 - INTERCO Super Swamper TSL Tire - Quadratec
TSL Radial | Interco Tire
Maxxis Bighorn 2.0 AT26 X 11R 14
General Grabber AT2 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $90.10 http://ssl.delti.com.../GRABBERAT2.jpg
National Chaparral A/P 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $113.80 http://ssl.delti.com...ChaparralAP.jpg
Kumho Road Venture MT-834 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $110.30
Mastercraft COURSER A/T 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $87.00 http://ssl.delti.com...t/COURSERAT.jpg
Cooper Discoverer LT 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $99.60 http://ssl.delti.com...iscovererlt.jpg
Laramie Performer RV 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $100.70 http://ssl.delti.com...PerformerRV.jpg
ITP MUD LITE XTR 27-9-14 $87.99
ITP TERRACROSS R/T 26-9-14 $144.99
15 inch Wheels [Be sure to get the correct lug nuts, 12X1.5
Vision Wheel Inc Vision Wheel
ITP has one now also, getting info. ITP TIRES - The World's #1 ATV Aftermarket Tire & Wheel Source :: Holeshot
Non Trooper Info
u joints for joyner renegade are Spicer 5-1501X and Precision 391. They are American work great. graybeard9
40 28 to Full 25 96144A227• 8.33
1100 Trooper T2 ECU Wiring Diagram.pdf
Joyner Trooper Differential Rebuild Kit .doc