Recommended Posts

Hello Joyner Owners

THEY ARE HERE!!!

1100cc, 800cc and 650cc New Cam Shafts. There was a demand to bring them back so we did. They are set up with a slight change in duration, and have more timing in them to bump up that low end torque we all need and are hardcoated to reduce the wear on the cam. These really are the next step or a good start in the build of your engine. For the 800 and 1100 guys, snorkel, fuel controller, cams, pistons...boost.. For the 650 guys, snorkel, cams, pistons, custom carb setup...boost. We have N/A and Forced Induction profiles available. We are currently planning a build on our shop renegade to build an 1100 with the snorkel, new throttle body, super charger, ported and lightly polished heads, oversized pistons, we are looking for oversized valves and better valve springs. Looking to build a beast that is reliable. All of this has been in the works for months, that way we can pass it all on to you. If you have any questions or comments feel free to drop us a line or shoot us over an email. B)

post-339-0-97396300-1458932920_thumb.jpg

post-339-0-39097000-1458933210_thumb.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


What's the price?

Can you test on unmodified engine also? So we can see the difference on the data sheet? Stock Nm an new cam Nm in comparison please.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yoshio,

We have a few things in the works and in the interest of saving money, we are waiting to do the dyno runs until we finish up a few other projects in the quest for more power. Once we have the numbers we will let the public know.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

HP/TQ wise with the cams and fuel controller we are expecting at a minimum 20hp and 15-20 ftlbs peak. The real changes are across the rpm range, not just peak numbers. Once we get the dyno numbers we will get them out to the customers.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


silverbullet

We just received cams back that we sold to a customer.The next cams we are going more radical on the re grind.We have had a friend do a new profile on the computer and we are vary pleased with the new profile we expect a big torque increase.

Thanks

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


soo the last grind was a no go ?

No not at all..The one we used was a big bore 1100 Viper.Its to new to do any hard runs.But you could feel the power they put out.The reason we changed the regrind was a friend of mine just got new soft wear so we could have more input on the profile of the lobes.The other good thing is you do not have to remove the head.So you can install on a weekend.We send shims and tools to re shim to the right spec.18 & 25.We send a link to you tube on how to install.I will send link i a little while i need the computer geek to do the link.

Rich

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But you still don't have any dyno run data.

Regarding the price, grinding the head about 0.3mm, also increases the power, but cost only 30€ - compared to the cam solution a lot cheaper.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have had the cams and the fuel controller for awhile now. I don't fly down the trail But I like climbing hills that's what's around here. And they made a big different in torque when I start up the hill you just can feel it when you step on the gas you just can feel the tires spinning and up I go. One of the things I did for my trooper. Just my 2cents

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Personally feeling is not telling much, that's the same I say to SBM.

I'm looking for proven data with and without performance cams on same engine.

Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

But you still don't have any dyno run data.

Regarding the price, grinding the head about 0.3mm, also increases the power, but cost only 30€ - compared to the cam solution a lot cheaper.

Yoshio.

If you don't get it i cant help.Last time we talked i told you had a customer want to go balls to the walls.We are still building his engine.When he is finish we will be able to do some dyno tune on his motor.It is being balanced and blue printed so we can go all out.We have and 800 we will test in the next few weeks.We will let the utv board no the results.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


It's really a easy caculation, if head grinding result in 3hp more power for only 30€, then the cams need to increase the power by 49hp to result in the same value. But that will not happen.

I guess the increase with your cam is about 8-12hp, the dyno will show it.

Gesendet von meinem SM-G920F mit Tapatalk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

How much hp/Nm can be will reached with camshafts+fuel met

Getting the head milled you may get 3 to 5 H/P may be.Aiding new cams will give your engine a big boost in low end torque.RV Cams are suitable for use in otherwise stock low compression engines. Usable power is increased between 1500 and 5000 (depending on application). These camshafts have a smooth idle, excellent throttle response and acceleration, plus good fuel efficiency.This is helping you understand how cams work.We have a 800 cc engine stock that we will install our new cam grind and get tested on a dyno.in the next few weeks.We will give results on utv board.Check out our delrin bushings trailing arms

and bearing block no noise or binding any more self lubricating.Last a life time!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Silverbullet

I will let the UTV Forum judge your theory.The members are some of the most knowledgeable on engine technology.And will see your theory is totally stupid.

Rich

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

soo the last grind was a no go ?

No it was fine but got new software and found a new coating and profile.Plus we never did a forced induction cam.Hope this answered your question!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

silverbullet

We have made a small video on Youtube on how to install with out taking head off and we have a way to give you the shims you will need so no hassel. This is just a little video on how to install .Full video with camshafts.To see the video go to youtube enter silverbulletmotorsports and the video will come up.These are just a small section. To get and idear on how to remove and instal cams.The video that will come with the cams will be vary detailed.We will send you the shims for each valve to set the clearance.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites


Yoshio.

If you don't get it i cant help.Last time we talked i told you had a customer want to go balls to the walls.We are still building his engine.When he is finish we will be able to do some dyno tune on his motor.It is being balanced and blue printed so we can go all out.We have and 800 we will test in the next few weeks.We will let the utv board no the results.

Its now August - it was May when you start to build up his engine - so where are the results?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

silverbullet

Hi our business is booming and time is short.We do not rush the big engine rebuilds.We do the Performance parts for the fun of it and is a small part of our sales.We do it more because we love to push the limit on our 800cc 1100cc engine this customer is in now hurry so we can try new tricks like making the rods stronger.We always have things to work on like our supercharger.We are also trying to find Vendors in Chine.We have about 80% of our parts come direct to us from China.I am sorry that we are not working on your time table but ours.So patience! You seem wound up all the time relax.We are going to try to import the SQR371 1.0 L.3 cylinders with more torque and H/P then the 1100cc SQR472.In stock condition.Just the weight savings would be a big benefit.With some performance items it would be a killer.The supercharger is getting closer pictures coming soon.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This engine upgrade on the 371 is hilarious - 93Nm/69ps - oh yes that's a lot more power...

In my opinion the better way would be finishing less projects.

But I don't care anymore for Chery parts as that's to expensive for serious power gain. A swap is definitely the better solution for more power. For the price of cams and bigger pistons you can buy hole Japanese car with 150hp.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

silverbullet

Yes and engine change would be one way to get more power.When you do it send some picture.The SQR371 is a 1000cc engine.Canada has passed a new law saying to drive on the road.It must be 1000 cc or less.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Similar Content

    • By Nokie
      The rear gear box has a big hole in it were the drive line enters. The engine runs well and it has chrome wheels .
      what on earth should I do with it ?
      Any ideas would be appreciated !
    • By Kinarfi

      Dealers - - - also see http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__16044 & http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__16045
      No Limits Powersports in Arlington Texas - Contact Jarrad (Snowman6479). (817)695-1151 http://www.joyner-atv-utv.com/
      Silver Bullet Motorsports in Yuma Arizona - Contact (silverbullet). (928) 344-2117 http://www.silverbul...otorsports.net/
      Thin Air Powersports in Spring Creek Nevada - Contacts Tim (Anylizer) or Amanda (Long Track Lady) (775)753-8223 http://www.thinairpowersports.com/
      McCoy Motorsports in Pikeville Kentucky - Contact Art (Art) (606)432-1556 http://www.tobefast....sa-c-63727.html
      Mudslingers Motorsports, Alberta, Canada, Trevor Carson (780) 576-2860 cell: (780) 984-2711 http://www.mudslinge...website_006.htm
      Joyner USA In Phoenix Arizona - Contact Brandon Deruiter Office (480) 882-9612  Email [email protected]   Web site Joyner-usa.com

      I also take suggestions for any and everyone!!
      parts & pieces from dealer in Germany
      http://www.utvboard.com/topic/3168-joyner-parts-and-all-chery-and-lj276-engine-parts/?p=18349
      AIR FILTER K&N RU-1000, RC-4160, and another link
      If you have the new 09 filter box, w/ Fram # CA-7764
      ALTERNATOR BELT 14mmx 755mm replacement that works....Carquest #K040292
      Alternator Belt - Checkers Auto Parts KO40292 - Exact Match
      Battery, according to 2 scoops, Duralast 51-DL is the correct size.
      OIL FILTERS
      Troopers with Thread Size 20X1.5 MM can use:
      WIX 51347, 51334 --- Napa 1347, 1334, PS1334 --- Fram PH6010A, PH3593A
      Troopers with Thread Size 3/4X16 " can use:
      Fram PH4967, Napa 1394 & Wix 5194 (slightly longer than original, Wix 51396 (even longer yet).

      OIL COOLER See thread, http://www.utvboard....768-oil-cooler/

      Oil Pressure Gauge Replacement
      Zorro found some at his Local Marine Supply store
      Sending Unit -- TeleFlex Morse Part # IA15001 0-80 psi, 240-33 ohm
      Gauge -- TeleFlex Morse Part # 57903P 0-80 psi, 240-33 ohm
      Manufactured by Veethree Elec. & Marine LLC
      together cost aprox $80.00
      Says it fits the existing hole perfectly Thanks Zorro
      Plumber added this reference; http://www.spydertal...pressure-gauge/ which Crosses over to a Sierra part# 01858990
      IMHO--I would move the the sender away from the exhaust manifold.

      FUEL FILTER replacement, Fram Fuel Filter G4777

      FUEL PUMP replacement, Bosch 0 580 254 910 According to Brostar, (Thank You!!)
      http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hayg-OEM-Inline-Fuel-Pump-0-580-254-910-0580254910-New-/230568738342#vi-content (updated 05-2015)

      PRE FILTER KNN-RC-4160-DK prefilter
      HEAD LIGHT REPLACEMENT Sylvania H5006 replaces the whole bulb, It works sooooo much better than the original.
      SPARK PLUGS NGK Iridium BKR5EIX-11, NGK 2387, NGK BKR7ES-11, Bosh 3311, Denso Iridium plug 5310 IK22

      CV Boot Kit There appears to be a difference between inner and outer boots, I used a NAPA CVB6862340 for my outer rear, fit good but not tightly on the CV end, I held it on with Tyraps
      Autozone part # 03606. Comes with bands and grease for $11.99, quick/split boot. K2181 95 Geo Metro $15.99
      NAPA #686-2149 fits for the Troopers inner CV. It's a speck tight but only about 1/16".(Lenny)
      Napa 686-2181 CV Boot from a 95 Geo Metro.
      http://www.norrecind...tart=1&cat=1394 or
      Norrec Industries then Application, then UTV, then look up joyner, they have them all
      Polaris CV Boot Kit # 2203438, (PR-8061)
      Also see CV boot for driveline? - UTV BOARD - Side X Side and UTV Forum

      Valves shims are 25mm, Joyner shims start at 2.18 and increase in increments of .02 up to 2.80, The Honda shims come out of CB450s and GL1100s, start at 2.30 and increase in increments of .05
      http://www.mawonline...gle/P137630.HTM
      http://stores.ebay.c...&_sid=120606839

      Master Electrical Switch Key
      http://www.jegs.com/...oductId=1231908
      http://www.pegasusau....asp?RecID=1467
      Make your own, it's easy, I did, just in case mine breaks.

      At the suggestion of one of our members, here's some info on the gas gauge sending unit.
      3 ohms is full, 13 ohms is 3/4, 23 ohms is 1/2, 63 ohm is 1/2, 110 ohms is empty.
      Electrical readings are: F=0.75v-98ma, 3/4=1.91v-82ma, 1/2=2.7v-71ma, 1/4=3.3v-62ma, 0=4.1v-52ma, E=5.0v-39ma
      0 is top of red zone, E is bottom of red zone.


      Manuals and Information


      Trooper T2 weights, 380lb. on each front wheel, 480 lb. on left rear, 520 on right rear TOTAL = 1760 pounds

      down load this and save it!!!!
      Torque Values Select Your type of bolt at the top. http://www.engineers...bles/torque.htm
      My Snorkel Made from a Sears ShopVac 7' Hose and the Extension Wand,


      Oil Drain QuickOilDrainValve.com
      http://www.oildrainvalve.net/ez-oil-drain-valve-ez-103-12mm-1-25/
      the best way to change oil, IMHO Kinarfi
      Fram Sure Drain #SD3

      Paint as recommended by Brostar: http://www.zynolyte..../rustmaster.asp

      Supplier of parts in General

      http://www.cxracing.com/default.aspx
      http://www.jegs.com/
      http://www.summitracing.com/
      Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies - Home Page
      TireRack.com
      McMaster-Carr
      Discount Hydraulic Hose.com

      Tie Rod Dust Boot, Checker Auto#13566

      Rod End / Heim Joint Seals , http://pitstopusa.co...-end-seals.html, thanks rocmoc
      Ball Joint Rod Ends AKA Heim Joints
      16 x2.0mm threat, 16mm ID, 21 mm thick,
      I got mine at McMaster-Carr 4483T36
      PTFE/Kevlar Insert, M16 x 2.0 x 40.mm shank, 21,966 lb static radial load capacity, 23°, $25.60 ea. or $204.80 for 8
      http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit12360
      http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit12960

      14 Inch Tires That fit our Stock Wheels Note that the stock lug bolt pattern is 4 X 115
      STEEL WHEELS http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__10804
      JC Whitney for all Auto parts - Car, Truck, Jeep, Motorcycle & RV Parts
      Interco Tires SSR-24R - INTERCO SSR Series Tire - Quadratec
      Interco Tires SAM-12 - INTERCO Super Swamper TSL Tire - Quadratec
      TSL Radial | Interco Tire
      Maxxis Bighorn 2.0 AT26 X 11R 14
      General Grabber AT2 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $90.10 http://ssl.delti.com.../GRABBERAT2.jpg
      National Chaparral A/P 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $113.80 http://ssl.delti.com...ChaparralAP.jpg
      Kumho Road Venture MT-834 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $110.30
      Mastercraft COURSER A/T 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $87.00 http://ssl.delti.com...t/COURSERAT.jpg
      Cooper Discoverer LT 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $99.60 http://ssl.delti.com...iscovererlt.jpg
      Laramie Performer RV 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $100.70 http://ssl.delti.com...PerformerRV.jpg
      ITP MUD LITE XTR 27-9-14 $87.99
      ITP TERRACROSS R/T 26-9-14 $144.99

      15 inch Wheels [Be sure to get the correct lug nuts, 12X1.5
      Vision Wheel Inc Vision Wheel
      ITP has one now also, getting info. ITP TIRES - The World's #1 ATV Aftermarket Tire & Wheel Source :: Holeshot

      Non Trooper Info
      u joints for joyner renegade are Spicer 5-1501X and Precision 391. They are American work great. graybeard9
      Differential Bolts
      40 28 to Full 25 96144A227• 8.33
      1100 Trooper T2 ECU Wiring Diagram.pdf

       
      Joyner Trooper Differential Rebuild Kit .doc
    • By Skrtcsr
      2014 Joyner Trooper T2 Side by Side Buggy 4x4 - 1,100cc EFI ATV PRICE JUST REDUCED
      I have a near brand new (ONLY 56 Miles on it!!) Joyner Trooper T2 Side by Side Buggy with TONS of extra's! I bought this for our hunting land and ended up not using it at all. It is a great machine and I hate to see it sit in the barn (always kept inside) & not get used. I have over $16,800 invested and it is literally in near new condition. This thing has a 5-Speed EFI V4 Automotive Cherry Engine with 4 Wheel independent locking differentials, its a BEAST. Extra Tires, Windshield, Lights, Wheels, Sides, Rear Window, Fenders, Etc.
      (See Links Below)
      Listing on Craigslist        Listing on ATV Trader      YouTube Video of Buggy










    • By JoynerUSA
      Check out this amazing Black Friday Sale! Up to $3,000 off MSRP, this week only--

      Brand New 2016 Joyner 1100cc Sand Viper $8,000 (MSRP $11,000),
      2016 Joyner 1100cc Renegade R2 only $9,000 (MSRP. $12,000),
      2016 Joyner 1100cc Renegade R4 is $10,000 (MSRP $12,500).

      Don't miss out on this low low price, mention code BFS16 when you come in to get this awesome deal or call us for more info! 480-882-9612
      https://www.facebook.com/JoynerUSA/