Off-Road Baja Tours in UTV's
By J R
Hi, I just bought a used 2015 MSU500 with 365 hrs on it. After riding it the UTV seemed sluggish and would not climb a moderate hill without getting a running start in low range. Took it to a repair shop and they told me that the clutches were burnt and slipping. Had the primary clutch replaced and afterwards was told that the compression of the cylinder was only 80psi, which I was told was 100psi below original compression. I've bought all parts necessary, including new crankshaft and bearings to rebuild the motor. My question is, does anyone know if a 700cc top end kit will bolt onto the 500 motor case?
Dealers - - - also see http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__16044 & http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__16045
No Limits Powersports in Arlington Texas - Contact Jarrad (Snowman6479). (817)695-1151 http://www.joyner-atv-utv.com/
Silver Bullet Motorsports in Yuma Arizona - Contact (silverbullet). (928) 344-2117 http://www.silverbul...otorsports.net/
Thin Air Powersports in Spring Creek Nevada - Contacts Tim (Anylizer) or Amanda (Long Track Lady) (775)753-8223 http://www.thinairpowersports.com/
McCoy Motorsports in Pikeville Kentucky - Contact Art (Art) (606)432-1556 http://www.tobefast....sa-c-63727.html
Mudslingers Motorsports, Alberta, Canada, Trevor Carson (780) 576-2860 cell: (780) 984-2711 http://www.mudslinge...website_006.htm
Joyner USA In Phoenix Arizona - Contact Brandon Deruiter Office (480) 882-9612 Email [email protected] Web site Joyner-usa.com
I also take suggestions for any and everyone!!
parts & pieces from dealer in Germany
AIR FILTER K&N RU-1000, RC-4160, and another link
If you have the new 09 filter box, w/ Fram # CA-7764
ALTERNATOR BELT 14mmx 755mm replacement that works....Carquest #K040292
Alternator Belt - Checkers Auto Parts KO40292 - Exact Match
Battery, according to 2 scoops, Duralast 51-DL is the correct size.
Troopers with Thread Size 20X1.5 MM can use:
WIX 51347, 51334 --- Napa 1347, 1334, PS1334 --- Fram PH6010A, PH3593A
Troopers with Thread Size 3/4X16 " can use:
Fram PH4967, Napa 1394 & Wix 5194 (slightly longer than original, Wix 51396 (even longer yet).
OIL COOLER See thread, http://www.utvboard....768-oil-cooler/
Oil Pressure Gauge Replacement
Zorro found some at his Local Marine Supply store
Sending Unit -- TeleFlex Morse Part # IA15001 0-80 psi, 240-33 ohm
Gauge -- TeleFlex Morse Part # 57903P 0-80 psi, 240-33 ohm
Manufactured by Veethree Elec. & Marine LLC
together cost aprox $80.00
Says it fits the existing hole perfectly Thanks Zorro
Plumber added this reference; http://www.spydertal...pressure-gauge/ which Crosses over to a Sierra part# 01858990
IMHO--I would move the the sender away from the exhaust manifold.
FUEL FILTER replacement, Fram Fuel Filter G4777
FUEL PUMP replacement, Bosch 0 580 254 910 According to Brostar, (Thank You!!)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hayg-OEM-Inline-Fuel-Pump-0-580-254-910-0580254910-New-/230568738342#vi-content (updated 05-2015)
PRE FILTER KNN-RC-4160-DK prefilter
HEAD LIGHT REPLACEMENT Sylvania H5006 replaces the whole bulb, It works sooooo much better than the original.
SPARK PLUGS NGK Iridium BKR5EIX-11, NGK 2387, NGK BKR7ES-11, Bosh 3311, Denso Iridium plug 5310 IK22
CV Boot Kit There appears to be a difference between inner and outer boots, I used a NAPA CVB6862340 for my outer rear, fit good but not tightly on the CV end, I held it on with Tyraps
Autozone part # 03606. Comes with bands and grease for $11.99, quick/split boot. K2181 95 Geo Metro $15.99
NAPA #686-2149 fits for the Troopers inner CV. It's a speck tight but only about 1/16".(Lenny)
Napa 686-2181 CV Boot from a 95 Geo Metro.
Norrec Industries then Application, then UTV, then look up joyner, they have them all
Polaris CV Boot Kit # 2203438, (PR-8061)
Also see CV boot for driveline? - UTV BOARD - Side X Side and UTV Forum
Valves shims are 25mm, Joyner shims start at 2.18 and increase in increments of .02 up to 2.80, The Honda shims come out of CB450s and GL1100s, start at 2.30 and increase in increments of .05
Master Electrical Switch Key
Make your own, it's easy, I did, just in case mine breaks.
At the suggestion of one of our members, here's some info on the gas gauge sending unit.
3 ohms is full, 13 ohms is 3/4, 23 ohms is 1/2, 63 ohm is 1/2, 110 ohms is empty.
Electrical readings are: F=0.75v-98ma, 3/4=1.91v-82ma, 1/2=2.7v-71ma, 1/4=3.3v-62ma, 0=4.1v-52ma, E=5.0v-39ma
0 is top of red zone, E is bottom of red zone.
Manuals and Information
Trooper T2 weights, 380lb. on each front wheel, 480 lb. on left rear, 520 on right rear TOTAL = 1760 pounds
down load this and save it!!!!
Torque Values Select Your type of bolt at the top. http://www.engineers...bles/torque.htm
My Snorkel Made from a Sears ShopVac 7' Hose and the Extension Wand,
Oil Drain QuickOilDrainValve.com
the best way to change oil, IMHO Kinarfi
Fram Sure Drain #SD3
Paint as recommended by Brostar: http://www.zynolyte..../rustmaster.asp
Supplier of parts in General
Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies - Home Page
Discount Hydraulic Hose.com
Tie Rod Dust Boot, Checker Auto#13566
Rod End / Heim Joint Seals , http://pitstopusa.co...-end-seals.html, thanks rocmoc
Ball Joint Rod Ends AKA Heim Joints
16 x2.0mm threat, 16mm ID, 21 mm thick,
I got mine at McMaster-Carr 4483T36
PTFE/Kevlar Insert, M16 x 2.0 x 40.mm shank, 21,966 lb static radial load capacity, 23°, $25.60 ea. or $204.80 for 8
14 Inch Tires That fit our Stock Wheels Note that the stock lug bolt pattern is 4 X 115
STEEL WHEELS http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__10804
JC Whitney for all Auto parts - Car, Truck, Jeep, Motorcycle & RV Parts
Interco Tires SSR-24R - INTERCO SSR Series Tire - Quadratec
Interco Tires SAM-12 - INTERCO Super Swamper TSL Tire - Quadratec
TSL Radial | Interco Tire
Maxxis Bighorn 2.0 AT26 X 11R 14
General Grabber AT2 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $90.10 http://ssl.delti.com.../GRABBERAT2.jpg
National Chaparral A/P 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $113.80 http://ssl.delti.com...ChaparralAP.jpg
Kumho Road Venture MT-834 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $110.30
Mastercraft COURSER A/T 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $87.00 http://ssl.delti.com...t/COURSERAT.jpg
Cooper Discoverer LT 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $99.60 http://ssl.delti.com...iscovererlt.jpg
Laramie Performer RV 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $100.70 http://ssl.delti.com...PerformerRV.jpg
ITP MUD LITE XTR 27-9-14 $87.99
ITP TERRACROSS R/T 26-9-14 $144.99
15 inch Wheels [Be sure to get the correct lug nuts, 12X1.5
Vision Wheel Inc Vision Wheel
ITP has one now also, getting info. ITP TIRES - The World's #1 ATV Aftermarket Tire & Wheel Source :: Holeshot
Non Trooper Info
u joints for joyner renegade are Spicer 5-1501X and Precision 391. They are American work great. graybeard9
40 28 to Full 25 96144A227• 8.33
1100 Trooper T2 ECU Wiring Diagram.pdf
Joyner Trooper Differential Rebuild Kit .doc
Just happened to be doing a little pre trip inspection and noticed my hose kinked. It’s not causing any cooling issues but not going to leave it like it is. I’m thinking it has to be reducing flow. Just FYI if you guys are interested in looking at yours.
By Farm Boy
It has done this since day one that we purchased it from Tractor Supply. I contacted the service man that Tractor Supply recommended and he told us that there wasn't anything he do to help us with. Has anyone had this same problem and can offer suggestion on to correct this issue ? It would be greatly appreciated.
So, I have found a very possible and very interesting engine swap after looking for quite awhileBTW I am still looking and researching. I present to you the 1.4L cylinder out of a Chevy Cruze.
Let me first caveat this by saying I have NO problem with my Chery engine. But it seems to have only so much potential and there is not enough technical support and R&D out there. Considering there are thousands and thousands of Chery 1100s out in the world (mostly in other countries) we should have WAY more options than we do.
The problem I DO have with the Chery 1100 is the transmission it is bolted too. Even if you BORE, Supercharge, Nitrous this engine the tranny just too weak. I would be more inclined to do motor work if there was a stronger gearbox we could strap to it. My experience has shown me the output shaft is weakthats a stock motor. If you power it up what is next to goprobably clutches.
NOW--Why the 1.4L turbo out of a Chevy Cruze?
ITS AN ECOTEC!
They are plentiful (fleet car motor) and can be had for relatively cheap ($500-$2000 depending on condition and if it comes with or without the turbo).
They are compact and lightweight--all aluminum block and cylinder head.
They are decently powered (138hp) and even better torque (148 ft/lbs)!!! Most smaller engines, to include ATV/UTV gas powered engines, the hp numbers are always higher than torque numbers. I care about TORQUE! In this case torque is the king over hp and it peaks at 2500 rpm!!! This motor was specifically designed to produce low to mid-range torque.
Also, keep in mind factory engines are designed to be economical. This engine could be easily tuned or a bigger turbo installed to go well over 200 hp.
Now, the most IMPORTANT partputting the power to the ground:
The stock Cruze comes with either a six speed manual or an automatic/hydramatic six speedwith manual shift capability!!! Now, I know what you are thinking. We need a low first gear. Now, I cant find anything online about the Troopers first gear ratio. I called Joyner and I am waiting for a call back. If anyone knows please post. My best guess is its around 5:1???
More intriguingfirst gear in the manual of the Chevy Cruze is 4.27 which is quite low in comparison to most cars being in the 3:1 range. EVEN BETTER the automatic comes with a first gear ratio of 4.58 to one. That is the lowest factory first gear ratio I have found in any FWD 4 cylinder car so far. If you know of one lower please share. Now that may not be low enough for us, but when you keep in mind WE ARE DOUBLING OUR TORQUE it should offset the need for a granny gear. Last, it comes with the manual shift option. This means you can just push the lever forward to shift and back to downshiftNO CLUTCH!
Now this is just a birds eye view of this potentially sweet drivetrain swap. Outside of the normal custom intake/exhaust, mounts, rewiring of any engine swap here are some of the bigger things that need to be figured out/answered:
How do we lock up the differential in the gearbox differential like the trooper is? The trooper has basically a spool (fully locked). In RWD buggies Joyner turns the motor and tranny 90 degrees and opens the differential (I hear some models are full locked).
How would auto/hydramatic transmission handle the stress of offroad?
Will technology get in the way of making things simple? Nowadays if you disconnect a seat belt sensor the car wont start (exaggerating herea little). How hard will it be to simplify the ignition system and get the electronics for the transmission of in harmony?
Interested to hear your guys thoughts and concerns
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