Fuel economy

[LongSun]

I can not find it on the board, so I'm afraid I'm the only cheapo on the forum.

What is the fuel economy of the Hisun HS590? (I guess it is the same as the HS550)

I count in liter per 100 km, but if you use MPG it's okay with me, but please tell if you use the US or UK MPG!

[LongSun]

Nobody ever registered fuel consumption?

 

[Steve G.]

That is a question with lots of answers. In the end, it all comes down to how it is being driven.

[LongSun]

Of course! But maybe somebody uses a HS590 for driving to work on paved- or unpaved roads.

Than they should know something.

I understand that when you're in the mud or playing otherwise it is impossible (and useless) to know.

 

 

 

[aefron88]

Its going to vary on driving style, conditions, acceleration.

I've read a very general 20ish MPG for ggenerallonger range mid speed cruising on UTVs in this engine class. Obviously that will vary quite a bit.

[LongSun]

Sorry I'm a bit confused what you mean.

Your word 'general' is a link*) on my screen and when I click on it I'm going to a side from Kemi Moto with stuff for the Polaris General?!

If I ignore that still your line is not clear to me. English is not my mother tongue.

Is this 20MPG*) for the Hisun HS550 or just for every utv with a engine from about 500cc? 

 

*) after I signed in the link disappears.

**) I guess (&hope) it is US MPG?

[aefron88]

Not sure why you're seeing a link, one isnt posted. Yes US MPG. Yes its a general guess that i've read for 500ish CC UTVs.

Like I said a heay emphasis on +- i'm sure its possible to get way way less with heavy acceleration, hills, or low speed driving/idling. I would not base anything on it other than maybe saying for trail riding it gives you a rough tank estimate. I would plan on half that for range between gas stations to be safe unless carying a fuel can.

I dont have any first hand experience as I typically do a lot of low speed & idling in the yard hauling stuff around, so my MPG is way below that maybe as low as 5.

[chase ledbetter]

It varies so much. My tracker 800sx crew averaged 20 mpg on the road but my honda talon 1000 with an actual 6 speed averages 27 mpg on the same roads. Here in North Carolina they can be street legal so drive ours on the road a lot

[LongSun]

@aefron88 Thanks now I understand what you meant.

 

@chase ledbetter. For me the same, here in Norway they are street legal too. It will be tractor registered with max speed 60km/u.

Not much off road allowed, but we have a lot of roads where it should be more fun to drive in a utv than a car. You can smell the trees etc.

That's a big difference between the tracker and the talon.

[aefron88]

On 6/21/2024 at 8:41 PM, chase ledbetter said:

It varies so much. My tracker 800sx crew averaged 20 mpg on the road but my honda talon 1000 with an actual 6 speed averages 27 mpg on the same roads. Here in North Carolina they can be street legal so drive ours on the road a lot

If my understanding is correct Honda uses mostly what would be considered a conventional transmission in their models, where as most SxS's use a belt driven CTV. The belt drive will be a lot less efficient at transmitting power from the engine to the wheels. More friction + heat = less MPG.

OP, if you're really stuck on MPG your best bet would be to buy something like a Honda (I believe there are some other models from other manufacturers too) that isnt belt driven. Realistically the price difference between models likely works out to more than the savings in gas costs though

[LongSun]

That is for sure an advantage that Honda has a normal transmission instead for the garter-transmission.

Honda don't sell UTV's here in Norway. I can check other brands if they have something with conventional trans, but I don't think there are any. And as you say, they will be way more expensive.

Gas is expensive here, so yes mpg is important for me. I don't need a UTV, but it is more for fun ride. And all the places where it is allowed to drive with an UTV, are the same roads a car can do.

But if you drive roads in national parks than you experience it more in an UTV, or ATV or Motorcycle. But if a trip costs me 3 times what it should cost by car, than the choice to take the car is quickly made.

Hobby (or fun) costs money, but ........

 

 

[aefron88]

Mile for mile a UTV is going to be more than driving even an inefficient car unfortunately. They don't go a lot of miles before dying, 10k miles is the lifespan on a lot of machines, vs 100k+ on even the poorest cars. You will likely need repairs during that 10k, tires wear extremely fast vs a comparable car, etc etc.

If you amortize the purchase price of eben the cheapest models over 10k miles, you're looking at over $1 per mile alone.

If cost is a such a factor you're probably looking at the wrong hobby unfortunately.

[LongSun]

Yes, it good be that it will cost me to much.

At this point, we don't have experience with an UTV, we just like them when we see one. We just have an ATV. Which is broke and nobody seems to have an idea what's wrong. But we still miss it so it is also an option we buy another ATV. They are cheaper. And if I buy an ATV it will be a Chinese made, (Hisun?) because this expensive Canadian made is not worth it.

As soon as we have some time we will visit a Hisun dealer and try one. We will see.  Maybe I start with a full tank than and drive until it is almost empty and fill it up.

Than I can at least tell dealer and importer the MPG 

 

For now I still will reading to know more ins and outs so I can make a wise decision. (maybe the first in my life)

[Joe Breaux]

My HISUN 500 cc gets about 18 to 21 mpg if driving normal. Less if mudding. BUT BE WARNED Hisun engines are not reliable.And lifespan is limited requiring repairs frequently.

[LongSun]

On 7/7/2024 at 10:47 PM, Joe Breaux said:

My HISUN 500 cc gets about 18 to 21 mpg if driving normal. Less if mudding. BUT BE WARNED Hisun engines are not reliable.And lifespan is limited requiring repairs frequently.

What is your 'normal' driving? On paved roads or sandroads or?

You are the first that say they are not reliable. In all the reviews I read on internet and the reviews on youtube everybody is satisfied.

What should be an alternative? Linhai?

I have not much choices in brands. It's Linhai or Hisun. CFmoto, Segway etc are at least 60% more expensive. So called A-brands are even more expensive, and I'm not satisfied with my A-brand Can-Am . and Skidoo  Chinese can't be worse.

[Joe Breaux]

My Hisun powered Massimo was a nightmare the first 2 years. It broke on its first day inits first mile!! Massimo refused to warranty because they stopped using Hisun engines because ..the rep on the phone said,they are junk! They now use Linhai engines only.  My extensive problems are well documented on this forum.Texas AG has many many complaints about them. Google it. I threatened to sue. REP said ..go ahead, you won't be the first. 6 times mine was in shop.  They never paid a dime.  Shops here won't even work on anything Massimo or Hisun .they never get paid.   You buy what you want.  Justbe prepared.   I highly recommend CF MOTO..I Have a CF 600 Atv and it's a superb machine.  2 years, 100% trouble free.

[LongSun]

Sorry to hear your experience. I will search for the stories. I have not read that but still I have some points.

You say Massimo does not use Hisun engines anymore but engines from Linhai. Correct me if I'm wrong: I understood that the whole Massimo was a rebranded Hisun, and now a rebranded Linhai.

That said:

You have a Massimo. In my opnion YOU have nothing to do with Hisun. Massimo has to solve your problems. Massimo has sold the product, and they have to repair the product.

At least that is the rule (law) here.

If I buy a Hisun, I only have to deal with the dealer that sold it to me. Here they give 3 years warranty on the Hisun, But I don't care about the warranty because the law says that such a product has to last minimum 5 years.

(for example a bread toaster has to last 2 years)   

So if the Hisun should have a problem I just bring it back to the dealer and it is his problem. Of course this is only about fabrication problems. Not normal wear.

Even undo the transaction is an option here if the product is not repairable or it takes to long etc.

BUT! It is not a situation I should prefer. I rather have a product that last some time without (many) problems.

On the other hand, the Hisun dealer is about 50km's from my house. Linhai 750km's or something. The ship the Linhai if I buy that one. If there is something wrong with it, I have no idea how they will solve it.

( I really like the open diff in the rear axle at Linhai!)

So it's a difficult situation. Same for the other brands like CFmoto. Only Can Am is really close by. But as I wrote: to expensive, and I have bad experiences with 2 BRP products.

 

[Joe Breaux]

Your law says all these  products must last 5 yrs??  Please post a copy of that Statute in the law.. ....  and BTW, I also called HISUN about their crap engine and was told they dont warranty  them either...  And I personally dont care what you buy, I was simply giving you a heads up on what you can expect from HISUN engines.. Take the advice or dont.. I dont give a hoot either way...... and what if your dealer closes?  Most  have stopped selling them here.    FWIW  Caveat Emptor

[LongSun]

I don't expect you can read Norwegian, so it is waste of time to find this law. But it is a common rule in the EU. And Norway (which is not in the EU) has some even better protection for customers. 

If the dealer close, the distributor (Is that the right word? It's the one that import things) is the one I have to deal with.  And here is a big point for me: The distributor of the Hisun is the one that also import Peugeot, cycles and motorcycles, Suzuki outboard engines and motorcycles, and a lot more. I guess about 15+ brands. 

Linhai is imported at a lot smaller dealer. Here is distribution not core-business. So if this company stops there is much more of a problem because the dealer and the distributor is the same.

 

 

 

 

[Joe Breaux]

3 clicks on Google and it's translated..just sayin

[LongSun]

Another 3 clicks in duckduckgo or google or whatever:

long version

shorter version of the consumer protection organisation

 

Another short version form a lawyer.