New (used and abused) 2008 Joyner Trooper T4
2022 Polaris RZR Pro XP Ultimate Rockford Fosgate edition like new On Ebay
After a Christmas parade where I did some sustained high speed driving I heard some metal scraping sound. I thought it was the engine brake at first but after putting it up on jack stands and listening where the sound came from it certainly is the rear shaft area. I'm wondering what has to come off to gain access to the area. Since I have the rear seat version i'm certain the seat has to come off. Definitely can't do it from the bottom, too many crossmembers in the way. Anyone had to replace one? Here's a pic of the one I believe it is. It bound up to the point where it won't move after pulling it off the trailer in two wheel or four wheel drive.
Sorry for the novel...
I'm new to the forum and new to the side-by-side world. This is my first post. A bit of background about me. My dad was a mechanic all his life and he taught me what I was willing to learn at the time. In the mid 60's we had a marina on a small lake in Mid-Michigan area that also service many surrounding lakes. I was the mechanic. We sold Polaris, Johnson and Arctic Cat snowmobiles along with Johnon and Mercury outboards, boats and pontoon boats. We also sold Bridgestone motorcycles very early on. While going to college I raced on the Ski Doo Michigan Distributor's race team out of Clare MI. That was the first year for the factory race sleds, the Blizzards! Anything with a motor and or wheels, I'm all ears and eyes. I retired as a design engineer for the an O.E.M. making plastic production equipment. Also served a stint as a Chevy/Pontiac service manager back in the 70's and 80's. Oh, I retired the end of '19. We had moved from MI to MO for my work and after 20 years there and retiring, we moved back to Mid-Michigan. Nuff said I believe.
I just purchased a 2021 Coleman UT400 that has 320 hrs. and 1420 miles.
I have multiple questions/issues.
1. The wet clutch appears to be toast. It will rev up high and just barely move. Got one ordered, complete kit. Shouldn't be a big job.
2. This UT400 has a bad smoking habit and it think it's bad for its health... It not only smokes on startup but continues to smoke until it's shut off. I brought it home in my 22' enclosed car trailer yesterday and by the time we shoved and drove it into the trailer, the smoke was SOOOOO BAD, that we could hardly see out the back of the trailer. Valve seals usually stop smoking after it starts up and all the residual oil has been burnt up. Rings on the other hand seem to smoke the entire time the motor is running. I've read that some of the Hisun motors have had suspect oil rings. If this thing is smoking that badly from rings, I have no idea what the bore is like until it comes apart. For the money, I'd rather have a complete cylinder/piston replacement kit and just be done with it. Also put in new valve seals at the same time.
Thoughts? I can't think of anything other than the two items mentioned above that could cause this. It's not like in the old days with a PCV sticking and sucking oil up from the valve cover area and feeding it back into the intake to be burned. I think that with the above swapping of parts, that "should" take care of my smoking motor...
Just how is the oil level checked, dip stick screwed in or just stuck in the hole without screwing it in?
I also cannot believe that in these days of engineering marvels, that a company, or many companies, would design a motor with a wet clutch using the same lubrication system as the motor. Trans I can see, not much wear particles from the trans. But with all the junk flying off the clutch shoes and then recirculating into the lubrication system, hopefully the filter will strain the big chunks out prior to being pressurized and forced back into the bearings and cylinder area. Just doesn't make good engineering sense to me.
3. I see no issues setting the toe-in, but these little guys do not, from what I can find, any way to adjust camber or caster in anyway. I'm guessing some of the larger more expensive side-by-sides have the lower A arms with threaded ends at the frame to turn to adjust the camber/caster. I may elect to take my lower control arms off and cut the ends off and weld in adjustment bungs and rod ends to replace the stock units. Am I missing something on the available suspension adjustments or lack there of??? Right now the right front tire is really tipped in at the top compared to the left side, also has a large amount of toe-out. The toe-out will not be an issue to correct.
4. How do you change the clock from 24 hour to 12 hour?
I'm sure I'll have more questions as I get deeper into my new toy.
Also, it came with a 60" plow and I hope to use this to keep my quite large driveway clear this winter. I do have the luxury to do multiple plows during a storm to keep the level of snow down a bit. Yes, I know, I should have bought a larger rig, but with the issues this has, I got it at a very good price.
Thoughts and suggestions appreciated.
We have 2.4 acres of forested mountain property with about 1000' of gravel driveway to plow and maintain. My trailer is a Silverwing SW9f 5'x9' and we would really like to have something that seats 3 people. I looked at Polaris, Yamaha, Can-AM, Kawasaki and so far the only thing that fits the bill is the Polaris Ranger 570 full size.
Just wondering if anyone else has ideas of other options new or used that would fit this? I really like my trailer and it will be great to use behind the UTV also when i get it so i hate to have to get something different.
Dealers - - - also see http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__16044 & http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__16045
No Limits Powersports in Arlington Texas - Contact Jarrad (Snowman6479). (817)695-1151 http://www.joyner-atv-utv.com/
Silver Bullet Motorsports in Yuma Arizona - Contact (silverbullet). (928) 344-2117 http://www.silverbul...otorsports.net/
Thin Air Powersports in Spring Creek Nevada - Contacts Tim (Anylizer) or Amanda (Long Track Lady) (775)753-8223 http://www.thinairpowersports.com/
McCoy Motorsports in Pikeville Kentucky - Contact Art (Art) (606)432-1556 http://www.tobefast....sa-c-63727.html
Mudslingers Motorsports, Alberta, Canada, Trevor Carson (780) 576-2860 cell: (780) 984-2711 http://www.mudslinge...website_006.htm
Joyner USA In Phoenix Arizona - Contact Brandon Deruiter Office (480) 882-9612 Email [email protected] Web site Joyner-usa.com
I also take suggestions for any and everyone!!
parts & pieces from dealer in Germany
AIR FILTER K&N RU-1000, RC-4160, and another link
If you have the new 09 filter box, w/ Fram # CA-7764
ALTERNATOR BELT 14mmx 755mm replacement that works....Carquest #K040292
Alternator Belt - Checkers Auto Parts KO40292 - Exact Match
Battery, according to 2 scoops, Duralast 51-DL is the correct size.
Troopers with Thread Size 20X1.5 MM can use:
WIX 51347, 51334 --- Napa 1347, 1334, PS1334 --- Fram PH6010A, PH3593A
Troopers with Thread Size 3/4X16 " can use:
Fram PH4967, Napa 1394 & Wix 5194 (slightly longer than original, Wix 51396 (even longer yet).
OIL COOLER See thread, http://www.utvboard....768-oil-cooler/
Oil Pressure Gauge Replacement
Zorro found some at his Local Marine Supply store
Sending Unit -- TeleFlex Morse Part # IA15001 0-80 psi, 240-33 ohm
Gauge -- TeleFlex Morse Part # 57903P 0-80 psi, 240-33 ohm
Manufactured by Veethree Elec. & Marine LLC
together cost aprox $80.00
Says it fits the existing hole perfectly Thanks Zorro
Plumber added this reference; http://www.spydertal...pressure-gauge/ which Crosses over to a Sierra part# 01858990
IMHO--I would move the the sender away from the exhaust manifold.
FUEL FILTER replacement, Fram Fuel Filter G4777
FUEL PUMP replacement, Bosch 0 580 254 910 According to Brostar, (Thank You!!)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hayg-OEM-Inline-Fuel-Pump-0-580-254-910-0580254910-New-/230568738342#vi-content (updated 05-2015)
PRE FILTER KNN-RC-4160-DK prefilter
HEAD LIGHT REPLACEMENT Sylvania H5006 replaces the whole bulb, It works sooooo much better than the original.
SPARK PLUGS NGK Iridium BKR5EIX-11, NGK 2387, NGK BKR7ES-11, Bosh 3311, Denso Iridium plug 5310 IK22
CV Boot Kit There appears to be a difference between inner and outer boots, I used a NAPA CVB6862340 for my outer rear, fit good but not tightly on the CV end, I held it on with Tyraps
Autozone part # 03606. Comes with bands and grease for $11.99, quick/split boot. K2181 95 Geo Metro $15.99
NAPA #686-2149 fits for the Troopers inner CV. It's a speck tight but only about 1/16".(Lenny)
Napa 686-2181 CV Boot from a 95 Geo Metro.
Norrec Industries then Application, then UTV, then look up joyner, they have them all
Polaris CV Boot Kit # 2203438, (PR-8061)
Also see CV boot for driveline? - UTV BOARD - Side X Side and UTV Forum
Valves shims are 25mm, Joyner shims start at 2.18 and increase in increments of .02 up to 2.80, The Honda shims come out of CB450s and GL1100s, start at 2.30 and increase in increments of .05
Master Electrical Switch Key
Make your own, it's easy, I did, just in case mine breaks.
At the suggestion of one of our members, here's some info on the gas gauge sending unit.
3 ohms is full, 13 ohms is 3/4, 23 ohms is 1/2, 63 ohm is 1/2, 110 ohms is empty.
Electrical readings are: F=0.75v-98ma, 3/4=1.91v-82ma, 1/2=2.7v-71ma, 1/4=3.3v-62ma, 0=4.1v-52ma, E=5.0v-39ma
0 is top of red zone, E is bottom of red zone.
Manuals and Information
Trooper T2 weights, 380lb. on each front wheel, 480 lb. on left rear, 520 on right rear TOTAL = 1760 pounds
down load this and save it!!!!
Torque Values Select Your type of bolt at the top. http://www.engineers...bles/torque.htm
My Snorkel Made from a Sears ShopVac 7' Hose and the Extension Wand,
Oil Drain QuickOilDrainValve.com
the best way to change oil, IMHO Kinarfi
Fram Sure Drain #SD3
Paint as recommended by Brostar: http://www.zynolyte..../rustmaster.asp
Supplier of parts in General
Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies - Home Page
Discount Hydraulic Hose.com
Tie Rod Dust Boot, Checker Auto#13566
Rod End / Heim Joint Seals , http://pitstopusa.co...-end-seals.html, thanks rocmoc
Ball Joint Rod Ends AKA Heim Joints
16 x2.0mm threat, 16mm ID, 21 mm thick,
I got mine at McMaster-Carr 4483T36
PTFE/Kevlar Insert, M16 x 2.0 x 40.mm shank, 21,966 lb static radial load capacity, 23°, $25.60 ea. or $204.80 for 8
14 Inch Tires That fit our Stock Wheels Note that the stock lug bolt pattern is 4 X 115
STEEL WHEELS http://www.utvboard....dpost__p__10804
JC Whitney for all Auto parts - Car, Truck, Jeep, Motorcycle & RV Parts
Interco Tires SSR-24R - INTERCO SSR Series Tire - Quadratec
Interco Tires SAM-12 - INTERCO Super Swamper TSL Tire - Quadratec
TSL Radial | Interco Tire
Maxxis Bighorn 2.0 AT26 X 11R 14
General Grabber AT2 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $90.10 http://ssl.delti.com.../GRABBERAT2.jpg
National Chaparral A/P 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $113.80 http://ssl.delti.com...ChaparralAP.jpg
Kumho Road Venture MT-834 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $110.30
Mastercraft COURSER A/T 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $87.00 http://ssl.delti.com...t/COURSERAT.jpg
Cooper Discoverer LT 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $99.60 http://ssl.delti.com...iscovererlt.jpg
Laramie Performer RV 27x8.50 R14 95Q 6PR OWL $100.70 http://ssl.delti.com...PerformerRV.jpg
ITP MUD LITE XTR 27-9-14 $87.99
ITP TERRACROSS R/T 26-9-14 $144.99
15 inch Wheels [Be sure to get the correct lug nuts, 12X1.5
Vision Wheel Inc Vision Wheel
ITP has one now also, getting info. ITP TIRES - The World's #1 ATV Aftermarket Tire & Wheel Source :: Holeshot
Non Trooper Info
u joints for joyner renegade are Spicer 5-1501X and Precision 391. They are American work great. graybeard9
40 28 to Full 25 96144A227• 8.33
1100 Trooper T2 ECU Wiring Diagram.pdf
Joyner Trooper Differential Rebuild Kit .doc
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