2009 Joyner trooper starting problems

[Whisper Snowbird]

I have a no cranking issue with my joyner. It has a chery 1100. It will click but nothing after that.  New battery. I tried banging in the starter while holding key in start(old car trick). Now the  starter solenoid won't even clunk. Just hear s click fron the relay now.  My assumption is the starter needs replacing.  Any ideas of other things to check? Does anyone have diese block diagrams?  Got no clue what fuse or relay goes to what

[mixfixdave]

Had to replace the starter on mine once...here is the fuse box layout on my 09 trooperT4

[mixfixdave]

Had a loose wire to my starter solenoid once also.

To test the starter, just short across the large terminals with a screwdriver. It’ll spark a bit, but if the starter is good, the engine will crank...use a old screwdriver.

 

[mixfixdave]

Pic of the original Joyner starter and the ID sticker from the new replacement starter that I ordered years ago.

[mixfixdave]

Should have 12v at this terminal when you engage the start position with the key.

[Whisper Snowbird]

So which one will be start relay? 

[mixfixdave]

No start relay, just a 12v switched wire from the key switch to the starter solenoid small terminal.

The solenoid (small round cylinder on the starter motor) is the starter relay.

[Whisper Snowbird]

@mixfixdave    So if it makes a clunk but doesn't turn.???  My guess is starter.  Would a dirty or rusty coinnection cause this sort of condition? Its getting juice but not doing what I am asking

 

[Whisper Snowbird]

Oh....and crossing the terminals....didn't make a difference. I kept hearing a solenoid on the fuse block click everytime I did it.

 I stopped trying when I heard the buzz and got the tingleys in my fingers, followed by some involuntary vocal terrets attack like lamentations. My wife called it Vocal fireworks

[mixfixdave]

Hmmm...sounds like a bad starter.

[Whisper Snowbird]

Bad starter yes....I confirmed that after I took it out and had it tested. Now I have the new one. It wont energize. What voltage am I supposed to read at the connections key on and key in start position? Also how many ground wires are attached at bottom post of starter mounting bolt?

[mixfixdave]

I remember modifying that starter circuit on my Joyner years ago.
Seems that the wiring from the key switch to the starter solenoid is not adequate to carry the current required to activate the solenoid, so I wired it to an external 12vdc relay that I placed near the starter. Next I ran wires from the battery which is close for the relay to supply voltage to starter solenoid.

[Whisper Snowbird]

Truth be told I hooked the wires up on the starter without bolting it tô the engine.  I thought I had a good enough ground.  Turns out I didn't. Starter is functioning correctly. Now it cranks but won't start. Have spark... and fuel