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OK folks, new here cause you are suppose to be the best on knowledge. I am for reference a 60 old mechanic BUT not JOYNER, boys first one. So I was told to ask before I adventure in where I might not need to be.

Just purchased a used 1100 miles 2010 joyner trooper. PROBLEM is: upon putting in gear, and letting out clutch , it seems to me right under the linkage where it goes into the top of transmission I hear like a sound in any gear, like it is not really going in fully, like a mesh problem, now we put in gear, let out clutch and buggy goes, bit you continuesly hear that noise and you know it is not suppose to be there so we stopped until I find out what might be needed. The original owner said maybe the slave cylinder , but upon lookin it does move lever in clutch everytime, every once in a while it does like stick in gear and have to pull up on clutch pedal, only happens sometimes, then shifts and still makes the noise. BUT I had him put in first dump the clutch and it stalled, so it looks like clutch is ok pad wise but thats just me saying. What do you guys recommend me do, I was advised to maybe adjust gear linkage but see no esy way explaining what a proper linkage is, so I am all ears folks, and thats from the old man................

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I think he's passing it on to me, On my 08, I saw some play in the slave cylinder mounting, so I made a bracket to stiffen things up.  I also drilled a hole in the bell so I could stick a little camera in to see what was happening inside, Lenny, one of the early group, did something to beef up the fork to the throw out bearing, but he was a fanatic and even machined the throw out bearing guide.

I would check the hydraulics first, have someone step on the clutch pedal and watch what happens at the bell. I know, you already did this, then, if memory serves me, I'm 68, you can slip the splines on the throw out shaft, make scratches and take photos of things before and after and try moving the throw out with a wrench and see if you feel any thing.

If you don't find anything, buy one of those cheap endoscope (google it) cameras and drill a hole in the top of the bell housing and see if you can spot a breaking part in the throw out linkage. you can spray some grease on the bearing too,

When I sold my 08, it was still running the original parts + the stiffener.

PM me if you want to talk.

Kinarfi, AKA Jeff

PS, where's home for you

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ok we just got in from further diagnosing problem. THERE is no 4th or  5th gears and the others, 1st goes in but kind of noisy doing so, then 2nd goes in a pops back out if you don;t hold shifter and 3rd goes in but while traveling there is some noise but as soon as you let of gas and have some back resistance there is a lot of noise in transmission with any gear

IF tranny is bad what are my options, can anyone rebuild these or is there used ones available, we are clueless just got into joyner yesterday

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also looking for easy info for pulling engine, laymans terms please.

Nothing in the manual I found, never saw a manual as bad on reference as the one i found, any clues about reference material, would like to pull engine and then remove tranny to see what I can really see, cause I am replacing clutch anyway so may as well look, if tranny is bad, any sites for used ones? Rebuildt or anything cheaper than new?

beginning to hate this investment, and what a deal ONLY REASON WE BOUGHT , you tell me

4 new itp 30x14 tires 4 new bead lock rims, 4 newly added king nitrogen shocks, new power steering still in box, 2010 1800 miles $$$$$$$1000 PAID

so I think you could not pass it up right?

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As a mechanic, there's nothing to pulling the engine and tranny, just finding all the right bolts and wires to remove, TAKE PHOTOS so you can refer back to them. Keep an eye here, I'll post some valuable info to help you as I find it

 

Instructions from Casey at JMC in the form of a .PDF file http://www.utvboard....h&attach_id=774

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4 hours ago, Kinarfi said:

I think he's passing it on to me,

Yep, Kinarfi.

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thought I posted this but no relies so must went somewhere so Ill do it over

 

Just got back in from extensive checking utv tranny, and found this no matter what I adjust or try to do I have NO 4th or 5th gear

goes into 1st fine, 2nd goes into but unless you hold shifter down it may pop out, 3rd goes into ok no 4th or 5th????

Now it makes a bad noise like grinding of sort just when you let out clutch and then begin to move and it does move, but whenever you let off gas and put strain back on gear it is very load noises are coming from right underneath shifter rod for tranny.

This mean tranny is bad or can it be something else, then again if tranny is bad what are my choices, by new, any rebuilts, and any used anywhere? Saw new cherry tranny for 1009 dollars tried to find in scrape yards for UTVS but no luck, what you suggest guys, money is tight but if had to will do whatever it takes to use joyner, never used yet had two days lol

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OOOOOPs Wrote this and I guess I forgot to post it so now it's posted

 

As a mechanic, there's nothing to pulling the engine and tranny, just finding all the right bolts and wires to remove, TAKE PHOTOS so you can refer back to them. Keep an eye here, I'll post some valuable info to help you as I find it

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Can you get any information from previous owner or do you not know who it is?

I can't imagine the loss of 4 & 5 being just an adjustment, but you're beyond the realm of what I've done  & i'm not a mechanic, but I have had my engine &tranny out and apart years ago.

Good luck

Jeff

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well KInarfi, don't see anything here about pm so Ill ask the question, I would like to have a good picture of tranny inside so I can tell the name of a couple of bearings I need, where do I find this and who has the best stock of tranny parts especially bearings, can't order them if I don't know real name of bearing

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I want to remove all parts of that tranny and deburr whats needs to be so I can just do two bearings and be fixed if that is possible, but would like a picture of reference

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ok finally some things for you guys to review

 

took tranny apart and found my problem was in pic 1218 the bottom gear assembly had bad bearings, the pic 1219 shows where there was a needle bearing that went bad, so I need that one and the one on other side to fit assembly back in tight and in mesh again

pic 1221 show a set of gears about 5 or so that I have to take out and clean up, they are not ruined but a couple have burrs, that sound feasible to you guys, just can't find anyone to sell me parts yet have email at silverbullet and joyner usa wont know till after noon cause of time difference

1222 is just pic of unit

 

what you guys propose, not even sure how that needle bearing removes, but not worrying till I have parts located

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NOT BAD, TWO BEARINGS AND TWO SEALS FOR DIFF

THAT IS FRONT AND REAR BEARING FOR OUTPUT SHAFT, AND ALL ELSE LOOKS OK FOR JUST RATTLING AROUND IN THERE, NOT BAD QUALITY FOR CHINA SOME USA WOULD HAVE DISTRUCTED ITSELF

PROBLEM WAS NO OIL MOSTLY WATER AND SOME OIL MIX

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22 IS WHATS LEFT OF BEARING ON OUTPUT SHAFT REAR

23 IS SAME PIC OF OUTPUT SHAFT BUT OUT OF TRANNY

25 IS OTHER END OF OUTPUT SHAFT BEARING FRONT AND REAR BOTH WENT OUT

27 IS WHOLE WHERE i REMOVED OUTPUT SHAFT FROM TRANNY

28 IS OUTPUT DRIVE GEAR, HAD TO TAKE OUT TO REPLACE BUT OIL SEALS

 

FOR BEING CHINA TRANNY SHIT IN THERE TOOK A REAL BEATING BUT VERY LITTLE DAMAGE AND GET THIS IT STILL DROVE WITH BOTH OUTPUT BEARINGS BEING GONE COMPLETELY...........OTHER GEARS ARE STILL MESHED AND PRETTY SHARP JUST A FEW THAT i HAVE TO DRESS UP TO CUT DOWN ON FURTHER WEAR

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ok all rebuilt, two bearings on output shaft and two oil seals did this unit fine..............

NOW after all done the water pump starts seeping out weep hole meaning bad bearings in my mind, so ordered one of these and hopefully my son can then ride the hell out of it lol

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MUST READ BEFORE DOING THIS REPAIR................

DO NOT THINK YOU CAN REMOVE ONLY THE TRANNY WITHOUT THE BELL HOUSING.

 

YOU MUST REMOVE THE BELL HOUSE FIRST BECAUSE THERE ARE 3 (THREE)!!!!!! BOLTS ON THE INSIDE OF THE BELL HOUSING THAT KEEP YOU FROM SPLITTING THE TRANNY HOUSING APART, AFTER YOU REMOVE THESE ALL WILL GO WELL.......................

THAT RIGHT THERE IS WORTH ITS WAIT IN GOLD TO SAVE YOU ADDED TROUBLE............................

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