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Take that one step further and say 40 to 50 years down the road, the Chinese will have a strong middle class society, with a healthy hunger for the good life, but as their workers start getting paid well, what do you reckon will happen next? Africa will happen next, or India or maybe even South America. You and I will be gone but the cycle will continue. It's almost like a natural cycle you would think, but one thing is for sure though, "if you have had a taste of the good life and seen your country prosper, what's not natural, is to let standards slip". It's time for a strong leader to rise through the ranks and take control of all the B.S, not another puppet who's strings are pulled by those with hidden agendas and the real power. China has already had it's first strike at a Power sports factory at one of Hondas plants in China. They are hungry for money and this will snowball along with turnover. Regardless of what I have said and moving back onto the topic, the engine that J.D will now be using for their top of the line Gator, is far better than their old one and that is a fact, not IMHO but fact. Cheers Mike.

What you have said above rocmoc, is the big picture and sadly very true. Unfortunately, manufactures in any first world country are not team players for the big picture, their only batting for themselves. This is natural, after all they are in competition with each other. I did read somewhere that what's happening now is what the World Bank and the U.N want. The plan is to even out the worlds wealth. Now if you already have that wealth and want to hold onto it, you are the target. You pointed out that this is all ready the case with the USA &Mexico. It's impossible to get every one to stand behind a made in America only policy, but that's the best way forward, but I'll explain the problem with that below. If John Deere went the other way and made a 100% American made Tractor or Gator again, they would get a lot of respect and sales, but IMHO in a failing economy, people who need a Tractor or UTV will go for the best one they can find, at the cheapest price and John Deere know it. A little bit of quality and a big saving will give you a nice turn over, but now China has upped their game and now is capable of pumping large amounts of quality products, we are all but caught in China's spider web. That been said, if you go out and get a bunch of old time cobblers together, form a new shoe company and make shoes to the old high standards that we were used to, advertise them as made in the USA, you will make millions. You might have to sell them for 4 times the price of imported shoes but they would outlast 10 of them, making them better quality and more economical than the imported ones. Global is not the answer for America nor here but this is the world we find ourselves in and with reference to the Power sports manufactures, only the smart ones will survive and they will do what the have to do, to stay one step ahead of the comp. Bearing in mind that a weak market is far more competitive then a strong market. Cheers Mike.

It's a good move by John Deere for more than one reason. Cheaper, stronger, more power and yes Chery has a good name that's growing as fast as bamboo. John Deere's main reason is survival & unfortunately, that means sourcing more and more from off shore. Every big Powersports manufacture operates this way, with most American and Japanese brands having up to 5 manufacturing plants in China and or Taiwan. This wont put a dent in John Deere's good name, after all there only following a trend set by others, in order to get their products out in the market place at a competitive price. It's a bummer for the workers in America as it is over here, down under. All our car assembly plants have closed in NZ and thousands are out of work. Fisher and Paykle was voted NZs most trusted brand and what did they do, relocated to Mexico, lock, stock and barrel. At the end of the day, the Chery 812cc DOHC engine with 12 valves and 58hp, is a very good choice. Lenny, interesting what you say about No Limits. That just showcases just how poor JMC has been at supplying parts and if you look in JMC's website, the latest there is they state that they are experiencing significant difficulty getting parts for the Joyner vehicles from the manufactures. And that would be because you have not done anything all year JMC!!! Dealers have been screaming for parts all year that JMC would not import and now they try and turn it all around by blaming the Chinese manufactures. JMC, maybe the manufactures don't want to work in with you and your workload of next to zero? Fair not, Joyner parts will be available again and soon and for those Joyner dealers that weathered the storm, repay them by showing your support. For those dealers that have left Joyner because of JMC's debacle, you can't blame them and would like to think that they too could be supported by you for non-Joyner parts like aftermarket tires etc.. Cheers Mike.

rocmoc, I have a contact for you at the tip of Baja. I'll P.M details. Cheers Mike.

Awesome, what's the story about those rock buildings? We have lots of collapsed ones that are similar here called Beehive houses that date back many, many years. Cheers Mike

You can fix it yourself. Take off the 4wd locker and open up. There is a pin facing forward from the electric locker so pull towards the rear when disconnecting from the Diff. Clean and spray gears and electrics with lots of Lithium Grease. Also spray around the seal before closing and screwing tight. This will help to keep the water out next time. I did this two years ago and is still going strong after fixing. You might find the long gear has popped up, inspect and push down into place. It could be stripped if you have left it running for to long. If this is the case then a new unit or a manual replacement will be needed. Cheers Mike.

I now have the number to get this order made up by GCL UTV. plumber has talked to Joe at GCL and will be dropping his T2 off in the next week or two. Thanks to all of you that has helped me to get these out there. I will pass on the same price to any of you who would like one up to plumber dropping his Trooper off. If you are looking at maybe a Lexan windshield with a soft enclosure, let me know now and you can have one at cost. This includes those who have ordered a full soft enclosure replacing their other order. I would love to get one done now so I can get some photos. A big thanks to plumber for the use of his Trooper and Quig who has brought three. Joyner have dropped the stock Chinese enclosure manufacture and all going well, these will be replacing them. If anybody has a Renegade R2 or R4 that is in the market for an enclosure, please contact me. I will give you the same deal. Cheers Mike.

If you translate the page using Google from Russian to English the article says in Russian but right at the top in English you will see Download in pdf here. Download it and then you can copy and paste it into a Russian to English on-line Translation website like this one here... http://webtranslation.paralink.com/ and read the article. Hint, don't copy and paste too much at one time. I've read the story and it's very interesting. It's called the Woodcutter and was built to go through dense wooded areas. I do like it, but realise it's not for every one. I also like the way they think outside the box. I might try and get one or two of them to post here just to get another point of view. Cheers Mike.

I forgot to mention the mud guards too. That would work. Cheers Mike.

Just found this on Joyner Sport Russia's website. I can't copy & paste the Russian words to translate, but the pictures speak for themselves. Kind of reminds me of a Mad Max Buggy, but way cooler. Of note rocmoc, check out the doors. That's thinking outside the box. What do you reckon. I like it. http://www.joynersport.ru/news/2010/08/04/268/ Cheers Mike.

I used to drive trucks line haul through the night and I only had heat directed at my feet, but the reason for that was any heat on your face made you feel sleepy. If you use the stock Joyner heater with an enclosure, you will be as snug as a bug in a rug for sure. Jeff have you looked at a UTV Heater? They are small so don't really work that well but you can direct them towards your feet. I think they go for about fifty bucks. Personal, I would go for the bigger Joyner heater on eBay, but then I don't get cold feet. Cheers Mike.

There is or was a stock heater unit for the Troopers. Here is one on eBay for sale. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HEATER-Kit-Mfg-Joyner-Trooper-T2-T4-Cab-NEW-/260646440644?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Motors_ATV_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cafbd0ec4 but knowing you, your exhaust extractor system will work just as good for half the price. Cheers Mike.

plumber, if you would like a Lexan Windshield at cost instead of an Enclosure for letting GCL use your Trooper, I'll check it out with Joe Fowler. I'm sure it will be alright. What ever you want including the mud stopper doors or any combo will be at cost to you. I've got the cost price in front of me so will PM you with it after I get the OK from Joe. Retail price is $429.99 for a Lexan Windshield and $949.99 for a full cab with a Lexan Windshield. Cheers Mike.

Jeff, I like it. Maybe one thing you could look at doing is trim up your old broken mud guards and instill beneath your foams ones to sure them up a bit, or ideally, a skeletal rubber frame that tapers off in strength and weight towards the outside. Maybe a wire inner for the rubber frame to say half way over. One more idea could be a wire batten sown underneath the foam to hold it out stuff. You could call it a Viagra system. Food for thought any way. It might be good enough as it is. I agree with rocmocs idea too. This would also stop gravel & rocks entering the cab. I will be getting GCL to make up some mud stopper doors at some stage too. These open so you don't have to climb over. If anyone is interested, drop me a line. Again rocmoc, these would be no good for you with suicide door frames. Here is a link to a John Deere Gator with mud stopper doors. http://pacificeagle.webs.com/apps/webstore/products/show/1557438 Cheers Mike.

Lenny, I see what you mean now. The Trooper can be tail happy in 2wd and on the marbles in 4wd it is the same, but regardless as soon as you put the anchors on as you start to slide, with or without tweaking the T2s setup, you will loose more control. If you can pull it up in time then no harm done. I always try to power out of a bad saturation, but that is not 100% the answer. I grew up on metal roads and as soon as I got my first car this was our weekend entertainment. I had a near miss once when someone panicked so much just as I was heading into a notorious hairpin I slammed the brakes on and slide towards the outside of the corner and pulled up about five feet from a huge drop-off. Flatbed, good to hear from you mate, howz that hotrod build coming on? I've sold my Z28, but might get another one to play around with sometime into he future but the kids have got to that stage where they have cars now so not a lot of room around here. Cheers Mike.

Lenny, that's how we drive it in New Zealand and gravel is your friend when you do it right. On the tarmac(not with the mudlites), you would have to drift it to stop it rolling but on gravel you just power up and point your noise where you want to go. Of course most of the time this means crossing the wheel up, if you know what I mean. The Trooper behaves like a Rally car and that's just one more reason to like it. The secret is to set yourself up for the corner and use your pedals to steer more than your steering wheel and don't brake in the corner, keep the pedal to the metal. Like Rhys Millen in this video, which showcases the difference between gravel and tarmac beautify. By the way, this is one of the best driving your see and he is a Kiwi. Quig, I have 16lbs in my tyres have left the shocks as they were set and do your kind of terrain plus mud, lots of mud. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention mud, heaps and heaps of mud. Cheers Mike.

OK, I've got a bit of interest with these Trooper enclosures. The deal is I need to order a certain amount of enclosures before I can place a order for a new type to be made up by the manufactures. My retail price will be about $650 (normal retail $799)for a full canvas enclosure, but to get these out there, I'll charge cost only plus freight from Kentucky to you. That will be $400 plus freight until I reach that number. I thought I needed a stock enclosure for a template, but as it turns out, a Trooper is needed to get properly fitted out. I have offered plumber first refusal on a below cost enclosure, because he lives in the same state as GCL UTV Enclosures in Kentucky. The stock enclosure is about $300 with some cheaper ones available, but is not very good quality. So far I have three that are interested and I need a few more. So if you want a chance to buy a top quality enclosure at a bargain price, this is it. If you have modified your Roll-cage or have a T4 this deal is no good for you, sorry rocmoc, Paiute3 & others. To get a better idea, go to http://www.gclutv.com/index.php and look for a full cab enclosure. If you are interested in some of the other products like a Summer cab or a pair of mud stopper doors, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Material colours are Army Camo, Desert Camo, National Guard Camo, Onyx Black and Hemp Beige. Cheers Mike.

Hi Quig, I've sent through a PM to you too.

Hi Todd, long time no hear mate. I'll send through a pm to you.

Zorro, you can post it here http://www.utvboard.com/forum/12-utv-off-road-classifieds-buy-sell/ and if you give me all your details, I'll post it on my site too at no cost here http://www.lifestyleutvs.com/classifieds.htm . I might be in New Zealand but unfortunately for me 95% of my websites hits comes from the USA. Cheers Mike.

Double click on the YouTube screen to watch it from YouTube itself, then pause the video screen on UTV Board so you don't have two running together. In the format above, it hasn't got all the info on it. rocmoc, you will then see that I did cheat a bit, because in the 1st video it states, 'the greatest sound ever in a Mk1', so I got the best example to be fair. In the 2nd video, it is actually a breakdown of a DOHC 4 cylinder engine, or our Chery 1.1 engine. Cheers Mike.

Hey Lenny, that's me talking to pghruby on Joyner Forum. I got a little excited and typed a reply before really thinking things through. The 1.1, 1.3, 1.6 and the 2L engines back then are generations away from the Chery 1.1, 1.6 and 2L Joyner have been using in recent years. What worked back then, might not work now. The first generation engines I was referring to where carbureted OHV engines, we have DOHC injected engines now. If Chery have based their engines on the original Ford engines(this is where I jumped to the wrong conclusion), it sure was a good one to copy, but they have updated all the components to such a stage where they would not have too much in common anymore. pghruby was referring to the Ford U.S. CVH motor from the 80s & 90s, not the British OHV motor from the 60s & 70s(that I was) and a VW Jetta transmission so just take notice of his statement as mine is non-relevant. rocmoc, there were 1.6 ford engines and 1.6 Ford engines back in the day and my memory of the Ford Escort 1.6 engine is the opposite of yours. It could be that you guys in the States had quicker engines of the same h.p that we didn't have, or us in N.Z, Australia and the UK had the know how to get the best out of these engines, I don't know. Did yours sound like this Mate, if that sounds like your tractor, at least it's the best sounding Tractor around. While I was playing around on YouTube I found this clip which I know most of you will enjoy Make sure you watch part 2. Cheers Mike.

Joyner have included an oil cooler on the list of improvements for the Trooper upgrade along with a new modular safari bed, an air scoop on the side, upgraded shocks front & rear, a new exhaust system, headlight relocation and new wheels. I would like to think that these upgrades will be available as spare parts so current Trooper owners can enjoy those improvements too. If you are interested in these upgrades, send an email through to JMC if you are in the States. Plumber, I'm not sure where they are going to instill the oil cooler on the new model Trooper, but details can't be to far away, surely. Cheers Mike.

roc, I've got some photos for you. These suicide doors are from Joyner's Russian website. Check out the front and rear mudguards too. Not bad, not bad at all, in fact, I want some. These guys have also done the best Joyner Renegade video I have seen. The link to the video is JOYNER U.T.V.s & BUGGIES Cheers Mike.

If it is your wheel bearings Silver Bullet has upgrade bearings for $25 each. The link is/ Bearings, other parts, RB-0864 - Silver Bullet Motorsports, Inc - Yuma AZ - Team Joyner USA Cheers Mike.