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Darryl, good response to my post and what that tells me is that I need to research and quote on only the latest model released. You deserve an in-depth explanation on my ratings and thats just what I will give you. What I have said still stands, all be it a bit reckless in not quoting the latest model and most powerful engine in its line up. I was lazing in quoting older models to speed my post up. I was reckless yes, but not subjective of my own opinions, very much based on specifications and performance for each model I quoted.I was quoting a 09 Rhino 700 so had a look at the upgrades and not a lot has changed. Those marks stand. The A.Cat I quoted on was also out of date. It was the A.Cat Prowler 700XTX from a couple of years ago. I didnt think much of it then, but with the 2011 updates and a new model called a 700HDX, it is a far more capable machine, but still a lot I dont like. The Gator, Club Car and Ranger were all based on the latest model available. I suspect that in your post, you are talking about the A.Cat XTZ with the 950cc engine. With this engine you would rank higher in 9 Big Time Horsepower, but I would like to pick up on a few things you have said. All UTVs should have a winch and I quoted on that. The A.Cat XTZ has got only 10 of ground clearance, it needs a winch, no amount of H.P will pull you out if you have beached the bottom and with only 10 you will find it beached often in my terrain. The Gator rates higher for hunting because of its higher towing and payload capacity. UTV Guide rate the A.Cat XTZ 950cc, 3 out of 10 for centre of gravity rating and that is very poor. This rating is bad, due to the low ground clearance and very high seat height of 34 . What will happen if you are loaded to your limit with a couple of hogs or deer in the tray and you go around a corner to fast? Thats why I said its good for birds and rabbits. Why did I give the Prowler 3 out of 10 for Cab Enclosures and Windshields. Im in the business of selling enclosures and windshields . I have asked my manufactures about the Artic Cat and why we dont stock them and it comes down to numbers. There is not a lot of call for them. John Deere on the other hand is well catered for by us and every other enclosure manufacture out there. We sell 10 different J.Deere enclosure configurations in 5 different colours (that = 50 J.D Enclosures) including 3 Camo colours. We have no Artic Cat enclosures, however I wished we did. We will be adding Artic Cat this year. The fuel economy for the A.Cat 700 or 950cc models is far poorer than the Gators, that means either you go further with the Gators superior fuel economy or you need to carry fuel cans for the Cats at the risk of tainting your game. The Gator and Cat can not compete against the Club Cars Intellitach system for attachments and the Cat gets a low score because of its poor quality and strength with its receiver hitch. As you sell both models, I hope this gives you food for thought anyway. Personal, I dont like Rhinos or Artic Cats so am I one eyed? Could be, but the problem is you can not hide or change each UTVs specifications. Specs are facts and I have only used specs on each vehicle. See http://www.utvguide.net/utv_comparison.htm and look on the comparison chart. When you read this, UTV Guide agrees with what I say about the Prowlers. The Cat had the lowest ground clearance the lowest score for centre of gravity, dam near the highest price. Further reading below this adds against the Prowler, a minus on weight, minus on seat height, they gave it a minus on width, Ill disagree and give it a thumps up here, a minus on locking/unlocking the diff and a big minus for its hitch (I would not tow an empty trailer with a A. Cat). Given what you said about the bench seat option, I did not know that and will add another 7 points. Big time H.P another 1. There is no beating the fact that you have 5 pro hunting guides that have brought Artic Cat Prowlers off you, so Im willing to up Hunting up to a solid 8. That gives you a total of 51 out of 90. Sorry Darryl, but there it is. Cheers Mike.

I have done a reasonable amount of research into the pros & cons of each UTV model against each other and feel I can add a bit here. I’m also a Joyner man through and through, so will only comment on the mentioned models. Of the UTV models mentioned so far you can forget the Rhino for your needs. It would score high on 4,5,6 in standard form and 9 with big time $. The Rhino would score low on 1,2,3,7,8 and 9. (9 in standard form) The Rhino gets a 10 for cab enclosures and windshields because this UTV is well catered for with all aftermarket parts. The Prowler would score high on 1 if it was just for small game like birds and rabbits. The Prowlers weakness is towing, hauling and poor quality and strength with it’s receiver hitch. The only thing going for a Prowler is good power. The John Deer Gator 825i is the real deal for hunting. It scores highly for all you needs. The engine is very solid and is built to last. It has a good size tray, power to tow and load your bed. Out of the five so far, this would be my pick. The engine in this Gator, separates it from all other Gators and takes it to a new level. Now the Club Car 1550. Really happy to see one of it’s owners on UTV Boards. These machines are true work horses and the only reason it did not beat the John Deere is the low score for enclosures & windshields (you can get them, but they are more expensive and you have a small choice compared to the Gator) and it is down on power from the Gator. The Kubota Diesel in the Club Car is a mighty engine and what it looses in speed it makes up for in low down power. The Intellitach system gives this UTV a 10 out of 10 for requirement 5. I did the Ranger on it’s 800 2011 model. Other Ranger models in past years would of scored a lot lower. It would of come in front of the Gator if it wasn’t for the powerful Gator engine. The best engine out of the whole lot and one that will be going the longest is the Gators. You could drive this for decades I reckon. I’ll rate the models mentioned below from 1 to 10. 1---2---3---4---5---6---7---8---9---Out of a poss. 90 6---2---2---9---9--10--2---1---4--- Rhino=45 6---3---1---6---6---3---4---3---8--- Prowler=38 8---9---8---8---9---9---9---9---9--- JD 825i=77 8---8---8---8--10--3---9---9---7--- Club Car 1550=70 8---9---8---8---8--10--9---9---7--- Polaris Ranger=76 1.Hunting 2.Hauling material (in bed and trailer) 3.Possible multiple passengers 4.Needs winch 5.I will need attachments (mowing attachment, ploughing attachments, disc attachments, etc) 6. possible windshield and cab enclosure 7. tilt bed with 600 bed weight capacity 8. towing capacity 1000 lbs. 9. big time horsepower Steven, sorry to here about your friend and I hope this help you make up your mind. You might also like to look at some websites like http://www.utvguide.net/ but they will always be one eyed towards the big brands. Specifications speak volumes. Cheers Mike

Looks like it is a dead duck. Maybe I should of gone for the ten worst, but then we wouldn’t of had any winners or should I say loser's. What made me think of it in the first place was Quig's rear end (that’s his Trooper) and then stevozz’s mean green machine. Cheers Mike.

To my old mate Jimmy, a very happy Christmas and New Year to you too. Keep up the good work with your search & rescue team. Great that you can add to your community in this way and good to see you are still enjoying your RZR. The Joyner Trooper still dominates here and has grown beyond belief with new Trooper and Renegade owners signing up all the time. These guys are like family and UTV Boards is like a drug. Don’t be a stranger, we need more people for the other UTV threads and would love to see Polaris gain a foothold on UTV Boards too. Even if it is you just posting to start with, it would be sure to grow with the popularity and strength of the Polaris brand. Regardless, it would be nice to hear from you more often. Take care and hope you and your family has a great Xmas. Cheers Mike.

Quig’s Rig is a sexy beast and that’s given me an idea for a new poll. Which would be, “UTV Boards best looking Trooper. There is a whole array of Troopers out there that has had the magic wand treatment and I reckon it’s time to vote for the best looking spruced up Trooper. Maybe we can pre-vote for say a top ten line up, then narrow it down to four and then go to a poll. I’ll start a new post here http://www.utvboard.com/topic/2007-best-ten-troopers-on-utv-boards/ . I reckon Quig's rig will always have the best rear end regardless. Thanks Mike.

Here is the new post to vote for the best ten Troopers out there. Just add a reply and add who you like and then after a period of time, one of the moderators can take over, count up and start the poll with the top four. It could be because of aftermarket upgrades, stock upgrades or just a fantastic photo. I’ll start the ball rolling, one vote for each of these Troopers. You can cast a vote for your Trooper. Quig's Rig. Great Ass. http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2129294760104282158swtAvD 4x4x454’s Rig Beautiful photos. Snowman's No Limits rig last year. There is no way you can leave this beast out. http://image10.autorevo.com/380/pics/2782743_914acbc1-d44b-4318-9ee1-5ac71a1e7831.jpg stevozz’s rig. Are you kidding, have you seen the photos yet. http://www.utvboard.com/gallery/member/744-stevozz/ Were got to have a couple of T4’s so Rick’s http://www.utvboard.com/gallery/album/475/29-my-t-4/ and Paiute’s T4 That will do for a start. I didn't add Lenny's, rocmocs, Kinarfi's, plumbers and others because I know they will be included. Mines not there cause she's stock standard apart from a few hidden bits. A plane Jane that rock and rolls. Cheers Mike.

Hi JK 7 welcome to UTV Boards and glad to see another Renegade owner here. I have just recently got some American made Joyner Trooper Lexan Windshields and full enclosures made up for some members here at a cost rate (well and truly below the retail cost) so I could market and sell them on my website. I am also looking for Renegade R2 & R4 owners for the same reason. This will happen, its just a matter of locating at least five customers for each model to get these made up. They are made by GCL UTV Enclosures in Paris Kentucky. I will need one donor UTV for each model & they will receive an enclosure or Lexan Windshield for well below the cost rate. If you or anybody reading this, that lives near Paris KY and has a Renegade R2 or R4, please contact me and I will sort you out a folding or fixed Windshield, or full enclosure. My website is http://www.pacificeagleutv.com/ and from there, go onto Joyner Trooper T2 to view a one of our fixed Joyner Lexan Windshields. JK of note, the R2 and R4 Windshields are the same size and a folding Windshield will be more expensive than a fixed one. Cheers Mike.

I’ve posted this video before on here. I think these are worth a look. Maxtrax have been around for a while now, but are still well over priced for what is basically, just harden plastic. Look at how well they work though and how easy would it be to strap them to you roof or rear roll cage. I've used the stock Joyner winch a few times now and it has not let me down yet. Cheers Mike

I've just sent a copy of the Trooper owners options manual out to your email address. It is large so don't give up on it when it's downloading. The heater unit is on page 30/31. Cheers Mike

Here is an up an update with the new Trooper enclosures. No vinyl windshield enclosures have been made at this stage due to GCL being unhappy with the vinyl screen. The full enclosures with a Lexan Windshield are available now for $950 (less 20% discount on UTV Board at the moment) and for a personal opinion PM quig or 4X4X454 on UTV Boards for their take with the enclosures. There was one small problem, the quick release clamps dont come in the same size as the Troopers roll cage bars and 4x4x454 said it was tight getting it on around the light bar brackets, but they did go on. Other than that, both have said that they are very happy. James from Canada has not received his yet, but James, I will go on record here and say you will get one from me at cost at any time, weather it be a full enclosure with a Lexan Windshield, a vinyl Windshield or as you have indicated that you already have a Lexan Windshield on your Trooper, a full enclosure for a hard windshield. The Lexan Windshield is also available tinted. I will need another Trooper to visit GCL to re-check and re-fit for the vinyl screen. plumber, if you want a full enclosure for a hard windshield to go with your Lexan screen, you are the man for this job and you need to contact me now. I also need a Joyner Renegade R2 and R4 owner near Paris KY and needless to say, you will be looked after. Here are some photos of 4x4x454s Trooper with a Beige enclosure. Cheers Mike.

Hey Quig, your probaly more bored now with out taste of music and seen as how your missing us all, the song below is just for you.

Rick, email me at [email protected] and I will forward onto you the instructions you need for you enclosure. It's a file from the old Team Joyner crowd and I can not post it here. Here is my video in the theme of things for the rest of you. Oh yeah and roc, Micky J is both older and younger than you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxcvPFKgl2g&feature=related Cheers Mike.

As many of you know, I recently started selling UTV Cab Enclosures and thanks to some of you right here, together we got the wheels in motion to get developed a new range of Enclosures and Lexan windshields for a Joyner Trooper. For that I will offer any of my products on my website at a discounted price for a limited time. We also make enclosures for Honda, John Deere, Kawasaki, Kubota, Joyner, New Holland, Polaris and Yamaha. Apart from a Joyner Renegade, all models for these brands are catered for. Hopefully a Renegade R2 & R4 wont be to far away. If you have a Renegade, want an enclosure & live near Kentucky, I would love to hear from you. The discount is 20% off the retail price for all my products shown on my website to anybody on UTV Boards for the Pacific Eagle UTV Enclosures. This is valid four weeks from today or until the 7th of December. These are premium cab enclosures so demand premium costing, so grab yourself a bargain. Key for discount is, just quote “UTV Board 20%”. Below is a range of two and four seater cab enclosures. My website is http://www.pacificeagleutv.com/ Cheers Mike.

Not sure who looks at this site or not, but it has some really good articles. I just came across this one about welding out on the trails without welding gear & thought I would share. This is so easy and it never occurred to me, but no doubt some of you know about it. The link is http://utvweekly.com/index.php/2009/12/emergency-trail-welding/ and make sure you watch the video. Cheers Mike.

Jeff, nice work. I have done something similar to your Inner Firewall Apron on a new Renegade. Its intention was to stop cow crap plastering all over the wires on the inside of the dash. I used the rubber packing mats that come with the UTVs in the crate and tie-on straps, but didn't look as good as yours. You have done a good job here, however I hope those magnets dont move to much with all the vibration. 10 out of 10 for thinking outside the box. If they fail, try some Velcro. That way you can still get in. I think this subject deserves its own thread. The Dirt shield is a good idea too and the new guards are an improvement from last time & will do the job. Here is an idea that you might want to contemplate. The new 2011 Troopers (when they are released) with have an oil cooler added, an air scoop on the side and a new modular safari bed. All three improvements are to help the engine run cooler. My idea for the current models is to incorporate a air scoop in the front to ram air onto the engine and or into the air filter. One hose for on-top of engine and one for the air filter. You have your Air filter moved up like a snorkel so no need to ram air into it from the front. It would not be too hard with flexi hose, even with a bonnet(hood) that opens like yours to put an air scoop on-top of the bonnet. Thats just in case you're looking for a new project, after you finish this one Jeff. Keep me up to date with your retractable top cover, who knows your design might be picked up. Cheers Mike.

Jeff, thanks for coming on and telling your side of the story. There are always two sides, so it’s only fair we hear yours. There is no way I’m going to turn this into a big debate with you, so will keep it civil. You know what I think from reading this thread as does most people on UTV Boards. What I will say is, I look at what you have achieved in just about one year and it’s not good reading. If your relationship is (or was)not good with the manufactures, then let somebody else have a go for the good of the brand and for the customers that are staved of parts. Or get cracking with importing parts. The most important thing in this order is customers, parts, Dealers, relationship with the manufacture, stock, new models, accessories and advertising. Look after these in order and you will get paid back in ten-fold. If everything you say is true (& I have had contact from the manufactures in recent times) then get the parts flowing as soon as you can. You are right about a deposit for parts, I meant a deposit for new stock only. As for the abusive phone call, that’s a shame and there is no way I condone that behaviour, but it is fair to say that there are a lot of people who are very passionate for the Joyner brand. Tell us more about your parts and when they will be available. Cheers Mike.

This is what one of my T4 customers did. Cheers Mike.

Mud stopper half doors(dust stopper to you) would look good over them. Cheers Mike.

I have the photos for the new Trooper enclosure. All three photos are showing a full cab enclosure with a Lexan Windshield. The soft full cab enclosure will look the same, but will have a Aqua-View Smoked vinyl windshield. (will post pics of these soon) The retail price for the full enclosure with the Aqua-View Smoked vinyl windshield will be set at us$650 including free shipping for the 48 US States. Alaska & Hawaii will be the same as international rates. The retail price will be cheaper for anybody who is a UTV Boards member. Contact me direct for a price. Also available will be the Lexan Windshield, Doors & rear window combo, Summer Cab/ Windshield-roof & rear window, just a roof cap, full cab with Lexan Windshield, mud stopper half doors and a full cab for a hard windshield. There are two Black full cabs with a Aqua-View Smoked vinyl windshield left in stock after our first run. Apologies for the long wait for those who were interested and also those who were not for what would be spam to you. Cheers Mike.

I've got a few photos through for the enclosures. GCL UTV have not sent through the full enclosure pics yet but I do have the Lexan windshield and summer cab photos. A Summer cab is a plastic windshield, top cap and rear window. Plumber, that's one mean winch you've got, speaks volumes about where you drive. Anyway, a link to the photos is below. http://s814.photobucket.com/albums/zz68/nzutv4x4/Trooper%20Enclosures/

Welcome Alex, awesome first post. Sounds like you will earn yourself a nick-name in no time like, "JL" and that would be short for Junior Lenny. Like Rick has said above, tell us more about yourself and full out your profile. As you have found out, there is plenty of info on the site and if you have advice or need it, don't hold back. Cheers Mike.

theloser, I've just found your post and I must say, I'm shocked to read this. I always thought of Ruesch as a well organised UTV company. I've also read the link and that's not good reading. Could you please let us know more about you like rocmoc said above, just to make sure your not the scam, but in saying that, I'm willing to believe what you have said. Even if you want to P.M rocmoc (the super moderator) to confirm with him, but stay private. Wow, the world is going crazy. Cheers Mike

Really sorry about such a long time without the Trooper, I had no idea it would be so long. I think your like the windshield and only hope that makes up for it. After Joe from GCL UTV takes photos of your Trooper with the Lexan Windshield and Full Enclosures it will be somewhat of a show-trooper taking it to star status. You could call it a Super Trooper as in the ABBA song. Well it will be used for advertising these two new produces for GCL UTV and my website Pacific Eagle UTV Enclosures & beamed around the globe anyway. I just had a thought, I hope you cleaned it first............... jokes. Joe and I really appreciate it plumber, nice one. (nice one is Kiwi lingo for good on yar) A big thank you to all that paid up front for one of the Joyner enclosures too, I needed these numbers before GCL UTV would do a new product and with your support we got it done together. Larry, otherwise know as Quig has ordered two more than he needed to make up the numbers. Larry, you made a deal with me that we would split the profit once the two extra enclosures were sold, sorry but I'm going to break that deal. You get the full 100% profit, end of. I don't care what you say, one good turn deserves another, so the first two sold at full retail price, will be yours. I know those up north like James in Canada and 4x4x454 in North Dakota will be very keen to get there enclosures as the temperature drops, so once again, apologies for the delay. Thanks Mike.

Gumball, man I happy the two most important things survived the crash. You and your wife. Lets hope your insurance comes through. Not sure how it works over there, but if you do have to replace what was written off, I have it on very good authority that the new 2010/11 Trooper is bullet proof. Bold words indeed, but I don't doubt them, watch this space. I know all about busted ribs from my Rugby playing days. Not nice, but in time, they will heal. First step is getting both of you back on track health wise and then when the insurance co. pays out think of the fun you will have buying new toys. Take care, Mike.

The Trooper enclosures are nearing design completion so not to long to wait now. I will have photos before you receive them and will post them here as soon as I receive them. Plumber, thanks once again for the use of your Trooper and sorry that it was needed for so long. Have you got a pick up date yet? Cheers Mike.