kenfain Posted March 17, 2021 Share #421 Posted March 17, 2021 Maybe you'll get lucky with the new ignition switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share #422 Posted March 17, 2021 15 minutes ago, kenfain said: Maybe you'll get lucky with the new ignition switch. Hope so. i wish there was a test for the switch , like you can test the circuit relay, but the keyswitch is all sealed up, and no testing procedures are listed in the manual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Breaux Posted March 17, 2021 Share #423 Posted March 17, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, T-boss 410 said: Joe, you're the only person I've ever known to be pissed that your machine was running well 😉 I know . right.. its running great and it just PISSES ME OFF!..lol.... oh, did I mention the high pitch whine has healed itself and is gone? lol damn it Edited March 17, 2021 by Joe Breaux dropped my beer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Breaux Posted March 17, 2021 Share #424 Posted March 17, 2021 1 hour ago, cliffyk said: Joe, I likely overreacted--it is a topic I am a bit peevish about--on Labor Day of 2019 the family had a celebration of my accomplishment when my drunken 27-year-old step-grandson¹ stood in the centre of it all, and declared for all to hear; that he "didn't think it was that big a deal" His mother ad father very nearly died right there on the spot. My wife says I bring it up too often--she's probably right (why are they so damned right so often?)--but for me it represents the likely "end posts" of nearly 50 years of work and aspiration--it is an accomplishment I am quite, and no doubt overly; proud of... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ¹ - Whose life accomplishment after dropping out of UCF is being a part-time barmaid at Starbucks in Orlando. no worries.. and kids these days are not taught to respect hard work and achievements.. They think its just owed to them simply for being here .i worked every day I could since I was 13.. I am comfortably retired.. They can all kiss my ass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffyk Posted March 17, 2021 Share #425 Posted March 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Travis said: Hope so. i wish there was a test for the switch , like you can test the circuit relay, but the keyswitch is all sealed up, and no testing procedures are listed in the manual. Your wiring diagram provides the ignition switch contact "rules" for its various positions--you can test it by checking continuity with an Ohmmeter as shown below: Connect the Ohmmeter to the wires/terminals as shown and check the resistance with the key in the indicated position--it should be 0.0 Ω or no more than 0.2 Ω.. This procedure tests the switch at low voltage and current as used by the ohmmeter, however it will be a valid indicator of the switch's functioning properly... Note: this test is performed with the switch NOT plugged into to the vehicle. In "OFF" there should be 0.0 Ω between the black/yellow and white/black wires In "ON" there should be 0.0 Ω between the brown and white wires In "START" there should be 0.0 Ω between the black/white and brown, black/white and white, and brown and white. The "OFF" position connection of the black/yellow and white/black wires grounds the ECU when the switch is off--a safety precaution against static discharge no doubt. -cliff- 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share #426 Posted March 17, 2021 7 hours ago, cliffyk said: Your wiring diagram provides the ignition switch contact "rules" for its various positions--you can test it by checking continuity with an Ohmmeter as shown below: Connect the Ohmmeter to the wires/terminals as shown and check the resistance with the key in the indicated position--it should be 0.0 Ω or no more than 0.2 Ω.. This procedure tests the switch at low voltage and current as used by the ohmmeter, however it will be a valid indicator of the switch's functioning properly... Note: this test is performed with the switch NOT plugged into to the vehicle. In "OFF" there should be 0.0 Ω between the black/yellow and white/black wires In "ON" there should be 0.0 Ω between the brown and white wires In "START" there should be 0.0 Ω between the black/white and brown, black/white and white, and brown and white. The "OFF" position connection of the black/yellow and white/black wires grounds the ECU when the switch is off--a safety precaution against static discharge no doubt. -cliff- 👍 Smartypants 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share #427 Posted March 17, 2021 Okay. I did the test Cliff outlined above, nothing spectacular, all read 0 resisantce However, the White and Brown wire, key on showed 02.3 Ohms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 17, 2021 Author Share #428 Posted March 17, 2021 i was also noticing, on the connector for the white wire (which provides 12v from the batt) that comes from the keyswitch, i see what looks like blue/green corrosion starting on the connector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffyk Posted March 18, 2021 Share #429 Posted March 18, 2021 The white-brown contacts provide (via the brown wire) +12V power to the lights, horn, brake lights, and the coil of the starter relay. 2.3 Ω is quite high , did thet measurement "include" the corroded connector? A modest 2 A load through that 2.3 Ω resistance would produce a 4.6 V voltage drop--leaving just 8.0 V (of a fully charged battery's 12.6 V) to "do the job". Obviously the corroded terminal needs to be replaced. In doing so make sure the wire is clean and shiny, and use some dielectric grease (SuperLube's PTFE grease is very good for this)--$6. at Home Depot--to "pot" then connection. Make sure you use a good crimping tool also, like this "full compression" tool from HF: This tool will create very reliable connections unlike those tools that just "squash" the terminal ferrule. . I suspect your recent manipulations of the wiring disturbed some poor connections and made them conduct. This is not uncommon, in emergency situations it can be, and has been for many, a viable action to get going again,,, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 18, 2021 Author Share #430 Posted March 18, 2021 Yes, that included the presumed corroded terminal, i've got some good crimpers from Northern Tool, they've done good. I'm kind of confused though, as all the wires go into a plastic connector with the male terminals on one side, Female terminals on the other, Not quite sure how to remove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffyk Posted March 18, 2021 Share #431 Posted March 18, 2021 sometimes there's a plastic tab on the body, or a metal tab on the terrminal that lock things in place--however more and more in the modern world the terminals are moulded into the plastic body and not removable. I fall back to Q-tips ,toothpicks, a suitable solvent, and elbow grease on those. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cliffyk Posted March 18, 2021 Share #433 Posted March 18, 2021 That looks like a good candidate for some aerosol contact cleaner, Q-tips, toothpicks and conpressed air. However I have on occasion poked around a bit inside the body with a dental probe and been able to find something that would release the terminals in connectors like that--typically they pull out from what is the bottom in your photo (the "business end")--there are specialty tools for disassembling these things. Search for "Tool Disassemble electrical connectors" on Amazon. I had a set years ago and it worked great on the connectors it fit, but as is common with real world perversity, most of the connectors I wanted to take apart were ones none of the "keys" fit. Sometimes there is a plastic locking tab holding the terminals into the body. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share #434 Posted March 20, 2021 yeah, there's no way i can get a new spade terminal on, or the old one out without destroying the whole plastic connector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenfain Posted March 20, 2021 Share #435 Posted March 20, 2021 47 minutes ago, Travis said: yeah, there's no way i can get a new spade terminal on, or the old one out without destroying the whole plastic connector. There's lots of videos online that show how to disassemble, and replace most types of automotive electrical plugs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffyk Posted March 20, 2021 Share #436 Posted March 20, 2021 Often we have to forget about the ways things were, and make 'em better. Will the connection point for the switch's harness accept plain ol' 1/4" or 3/16" male spade terminals? Can I say that or should I say "terminals of colour" (TOC)? If so you could ditch the connector body and put new male terminals on each wire and connect them individually? It won't be as convenient, however you will be making sure ALL the terminals are crimped properly, and properly bedded in dielectric grease so the corrosion does not happen again. The main fuse block 30 A "accessory" section on my 2003 Suzuki Burgman 400 burned up, it was over $100 for a replacement--so I just bypassed the whole thing with an inline fuse: Sometimes you have to think on the other side of the box... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share #437 Posted March 20, 2021 That was my next step, and i think i will do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 20, 2021 Author Share #438 Posted March 20, 2021 good news is, i haven't stumbled or fallen getting into the Mule yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffyk Posted March 20, 2021 Share #439 Posted March 20, 2021 If it comes down to it you could toss the connector completely and use butt or better yet, barrel (bullet) connectors that can be easily disconnected if needed--though the latter seem to have fallen out of fashion, I no longer see them in the auto parts stores... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Breaux Posted March 20, 2021 Share #440 Posted March 20, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Travis said: good news is, i haven't stumbled or fallen getting into the Mule yet... good thing theres no stairs to get in . I hear stairs are getting pretty trickey now.. everybody is falling down on them . sometimes as many as THREE times ..lol Edited March 20, 2021 by Joe Breaux fell on stairs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliffyk Posted March 20, 2021 Share #441 Posted March 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Joe Breaux said: good thing theres no stairs to get in . I hear stairs are getting pretty trickey now.. everybody is falling down on them . sometimes as many as THREE times ..lol Did it strike you as odd that not a single aide or SS agent rushed in to assist? It's almost as though they are hoping he'd break his neck, so Camela can take over (my most recent recurrent nightmare).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Breaux Posted March 20, 2021 Share #442 Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, cliffyk said: Did it strike you as odd that not a single aide or SS agent rushed in to assist? It's almost as though they are hoping he'd break his neck, so Camela can take over (my most recent recurrent nightmare).. Well he did call her PRESIDENT harris this week... Tho he could not remember the former generals name.." who is the head of that outfit over there ".. lol....nor could he remember the 2 women officers names he was promoting to 4 Stars recomended by that general he couldnt remember, , which was the reason for the press announcement he was attending ???? ...... Our enemies must be ROFLTAO seeing an old feebleminded clumsy baffoon as our leader ...we have never looked weaker since the days of the peanut farmer in chief 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted March 20, 2021 Share #443 Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Travis said: good news is, i haven't stumbled or fallen getting into the Mule yet... Well, lucky for you there's no steps to get in your Mule, and you don't have dementia (at least not to his level)😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted March 20, 2021 Share #444 Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, cliffyk said: Did it strike you as odd that not a single aide or SS agent rushed in to assist? It's almost as though they are hoping he'd break his neck, so Camela can take over (my most recent recurrent nightmare).. What? You don't think that Heels Up Harris would make a good President? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Breaux Posted March 20, 2021 Share #445 Posted March 20, 2021 23 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said: What? You don't think that Heels Up Harris would make a good President? As a president, I think she would make a good weekend day drinking party.. or a mattress test pilot ... but, it would be a coin flip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share #446 Posted March 21, 2021 6 hours ago, cliffyk said: If it comes down to it you could toss the connector completely and use butt or better yet, barrel (bullet) connectors that can be easily disconnected if needed--though the latter seem to have fallen out of fashion, I no longer see them in the auto parts stores... I forgot, that keyswitch i ordered was delivered today while i was gone, for the heck of it, i'll put that on, and keep the Original as spare back up and fix up that connector. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share #447 Posted March 21, 2021 5 hours ago, cliffyk said: Did it strike you as odd that not a single aide or SS agent rushed in to assist? It's almost as though they are hoping he'd break his neck, so Camela can take over (my most recent recurrent nightmare).. Don't scare me like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share #448 Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, T-boss 410 said: Well, lucky for you there's no steps to get in your Mule, and you don't have dementia (at least not to his level)😎 LMAO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted March 21, 2021 Author Share #449 Posted March 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Joe Breaux said: As a president, I think she would make a good weekend day drinking party.. or a mattress test pilot ... but, it would be a coin flip Joey dies, then we get commiela/Pelosi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Breaux Posted March 21, 2021 Share #450 Posted March 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Travis said: Joey dies, then we get commiela/Pelosi President Kameltoe?? God Help us All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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