Dan B

Did the new coil packs fix the issue? Check the plug gaps (.035"-.043", 0.9mm - 1.1mm). They look a little wide (but the look may just because of the close up shot of the plugs). Also check for a vacuum leak that may be causing a lean mixture. Fuel pressure on those engines are spec at 50 psi.

I also have a Joyner Renegade. It's a 2014 year model R2 (2-seat version). Bought it 3 yrs ago for $7k. 2014 is the first year they started putting the 1100cc engine in it. I don't have first hand knowledge of the early models but when researching for my machine, I've read that there were many quality control issues with Joyner machines. The Trooper and Renegade uses an automotive style engine, clutch and 5-speed transaxle. These engines are quite reliable - John Deere put the 800cc engine in their 825i and even Kawasaki (Japanese manufacturer) put the same engine in one of their SxS models. The Chery engine is used in many lesser known brands of SxSs. This machine isn't designed to take a high speed jump off a ramp; it's a utility vehicle that may be more at home on a farm or easy trail riding. The weak point seems to be the bolts that hold the ring gear in the differential. You can put in higher grade bolts. I like my ride. I've never had an issue with mine except the brake master cylinder - replaced it a few months ago. Some parts are available on Amazon. You may have to do a lot of your own repair work as service and parts are hard to find. My opinion is the $5k price is too high for a "well used condition" which imples some hidden issues. Check you state laws on street legal SxS. AZ allows them as does many other western sates (some with severe restrictions).

Since you've found nothing up to this point, I might suggest you check the tail light socket(s). Remove the bulbs to see if the fuse blows again. Could be a bad socket or a freak short in the bulb.

In theory, it works. Treating the symptom doesn't fix the problem. The root cause of the problem is poor, corroded connections. If this was a real problem, it should have manifested itself when the machine was new. These machines don't ride in the best of conditions - deep water and mud followed by dusty trails, etc. They take more maintenance that the family car. It doesn't take much resistance due to corrosion to lose 2-3 volts at the starter.

It all boils down to one's opinion. Some don't like these mahines simply because they are from China. Most of the stuff we get today comes from China. Depending upon where you live in the US, parts and maintenance support is sparse. You may have to be your own mechanic. The Chery engine is apparently reliable (mine is). John Deere and Kawasaki uses the 800cc version on one of their models as well as a host of other lesser known brands of SxS. I prefer the clutch/5-speed transmission on the Renegade (and Trooper). But you have to be proactive in managing power to the drive axles. I like the independently selectable front/rear locking differentials and 4WD. This machine is more like an automobile as far as the drive train goes. I don't care much for the brake response - small diameter rotors leads to slightly longer stopping distances. There hasn't been a safety recall on the Trooper or Renegade that I can find. Other better known brands have had recalls. There are tons of YouTube videos that show problems with belts burning out (CTV), broken axles and CV joints. But that can also happen with any machine that is driven beyond its limits. I don't think the Trooper or Renegade is designed to go airborne over jumps.

To add a comment on radiator caps. They are usually 15 psi. That raises the boiling point of coolant 45F deg to about 257F at sea level.

I saw a FB comment that their new location will be at 1050 West Main in Mesa (Alma School & Main). From FB comments it doesn't seem like they've completed their relocation yet. It's 50 miles from me so I won't be making too many trips without knowing if they have what I need in stock.

What isn't running with that blown fuse? Does the engine turn over? Does it start and run? Are all the gauges and lights working? That may help to identify its function. I have an R2 and can't find anything on "Continuous Dower" either. My guess is that it's a typo - might be trying to say "Continuous Power". On my machine, with the ignition switch OFF and the red paddle switch ON (master power switch), electrical power is only available "continuous power" to the turn signals, 4-way flasher and of course the ignition switch (but no electrical power leaves the igniton switch).

Kelly Blue Book lists it as $9600 from a dealer, stock, no upgrades. With that mileage, you have to expect to replace the normal wear and tear parts, bushings, etc as you might have to do with any used machine.

Fluids have been changed after 10 miles? Why?

I'd be really interested in their reopening. I'll surely let you know as soon as I do. Where did you hear about the relocation? I want to track the progress of it. But I think it will be the same owner. This would be the 2nd move in about 5 years. The former location on 18th Pl was up for sale (probably sold). He couldn't afford the rent on Riverview which prompted his move to 18th Pl. I like the 5-speed tranny. The CVT is easier to drive; the 5-speed requires the driver to take a proactive role in managing power to the drive axles. I like the granny gear (1st gear).

Joyner hasn't been at the Riverview location for several years. If you've done any research then most of what I'm saying here you may already know. My ride has the same drive train as the Trooper. They have high reving engines = about 1000 rpms per 10 miles per hr. At 60 mph the engine will be running at 6000 rpms along with the noise at that level. The engine is what is called an "over square" engine. That is to say the bore diameter is larger than the length of the stoke. They are designed for higher rpms. These engines are relatively common in South America, parts of Africa and of course Asia. I've never had my engine over 4000 rpms; I don't drive on high speed streets and highways. Torque to the drive axles is increased via gearing through the transmission and differentials. The 800cc version of this Chinese engine is used in the John Deere 825i and one model of the Kawasaki (Japanese) SxS. Quite a surprise that a Japanese brand would use a Chinese engine. I bought my ride from a Craigslist add in Whittman AZ. If you buy a Joyner, expect to do most if not all of your own maintenance and repairs. There are some parts available on Amazon but expect to order most parts directly from China with long lead times. Some say Joyners are junk and they may be right on their machine if they actually own one. I've never had any issues with mine >1700 miles. Unless you find a dealer locally, I see travel plans in your future to distant places to find a new Trooper.

The Mahindra Roxor with a diesel engine uses a 5-speed tranny/clutch arrangement. They are also looking at a 6-speed automatic. I think manufacturers favor the CVT because they are easier to drive. You only have to select between High (most driving), Low, Neutral, Reverse and Park. Driving a manual transmistion requries the driver to take a more active role in managing engine power and torque at the rear axle. On uphill climbs, upshifting against the pull of gravity isnt' easy to maintain forward movement. Mine has a 5-speed and I like it. But it's for me.

Amazon has a rear differential/reducer for the Commando 650 for $790USD. Alibaba has a rear differential/reducer for the Joyner 800cc rides that includes the Commando if yours has the 800cc engine ($500USD). As for importing them into Guatemala, I can't answer that.

It's extremely common for solenoids to switch electrical contacts through magnetic forces. We call them relays and contactors. A solenoid can't do any work unless the iron core is connected in some way (mechanically or through magnetic attaction) to a device. Just about every electrical appliance in your home, your car, your water heater, your AC unit has a relay or two. Without solenoids closing relay contacts, that switch would have to be designed with extremely heavy contacts and run ALL of the battery power directly to the starter (which is technically a motor, not a starter). It boils down to a matter of semantics and generally accepted terms for laymen. Engineers view these much differently.

Let me know how it goes. It's hard to troubleshoot from a distance. I have to use what I know about my machine; it may or may not translate to yours.

You can't put in too much coolant. Ideally, there should not be any airspace in the system - should be full as possible. Me thinks you need to "burp" the system to get ALL the air out. Raise the front of your Trooper as high as you can (within reason). Start the engine and let in pump all the air into the radiator. Refill as necessary until all the air is gone and you can't put in more coolant.

It doesn't make sense to me that the 4x4 actuator is needed for reverse gear. That should be a different problem. Reverse only acts on the rear axle. However, if you are able to put it into 4wd, both front and rear axles will drive in reverse. Can you jack up your C2 (all four wheels off the ground). Then, when you push on that plate, does all four wheels go into revese or just the front axle? If just the front axle, you may have internal transmission issues. Can you move the shift lever into reverse? Or is it the tranmsion itself not going into reverse. Check your shift linkage cables - they may be out of adjustment. Do the easy stuff first before tearing into the transmission. You might be able to get a cable actuated 4wd system. Just about any cable operated 4wd actuator can be made to fit with some minor engineering work. Joyner dropped the electric 4wd because they were problematic especially if they got very wet. Check with Arctic Cat if you have a dealer near you. Their's might fit.

The part number for your C2 is S650.06.09.00.00. The part number for Troopers and Renegades is S650.06.10.00.00. I don't know if they are different enough or similar enough to see if they are interchangeable. Maybe someone near you can see if theirs will work on your machine or find a machine that's been trashed.

I play golf. At my local golf course, they use electric golf carts to pull a chain of about 8 electric golf carts to the club house. Sure it's a short distance, but it's still a heavy load. I would think a SxS would be a better option - some can carry 4 or 6 passengers. Maintenance and gas would need to be evaluated as to availablility. What would the import duty be if you brought your own ride vs in-country purchase? Would it be comparable to an air-conditioned car?

View File Joyner Renegade R2/R4 Owner, Repair, Parts Manual Pre-2014 Renegade with the 800cc engine. Much of this may apply to the R4 also. Note to moderator: Please add "Joyner" to the list of UTVs. Submitter Dan B Submitted 02/14/2021 Category Joyner  

Amp draw for starter motors. The solenoid will draw a few amps in the neighborhod of 5 amps. You can figure how much current it will draw by measuring resistance of the solenoid coil. Divide that resistance reading into 12. That will be the maximum possible amp draw of the coil if it's good. It has to draw enough amps to create a strong magnetic field to draw in the solenoid. Larger car engines will have solenoid current requirement 10+ amps up to 20 amps. But the motor itself will draw 100-200 amps under load when starting the engine depending upon the number of cylinders the starter has to pull through the compresson strokes. Most people don't have DC ammeters that can measure that high.

Okay.

From one of your postings, I suspect you have a bad solenoid or the actuator is binding due to worn parts. Are the brushes good? Some starters use centrifugal force of spinning to throw the gear into the flywheel and a spring retract is after the engine starts. Others use a fork to shove the gear into the flywheel when the solenoid energizes. The solenoid also has relay contacts to connect battery power directly to the starter windings though the brushes. I had trouble with my riding lawn mower. It would start sometimes, most times not when I tapped the solenoid with a hamer. Brushes were worn.