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[Travis]

15 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said:

Oh, suck it up, Nancy!!! It's just water 😇

I don't mind water, i just don't like ELECTRICITY from the clouds! LOL

[T-boss 410]

It only hurts for the minute!

[Travis]

just call me Zap

[Dan B]

On 11/18/2020 at 5:47 PM, T-boss 410 said:

I would be very interested in finding out what the cost of the gear was for the dealership, and then compare that to the retail cost. I bet we would be amazed!

In my experience with repairs to my vehicles, dealerships and repair shops charge 2x-3x the retial price for parts that I can buy at NAPA's retail price.  My AC compressor $995 from the dealership, $485 fromn NAPA.  I don't buy lifetime warranty parts.  They are exactly the same  as the 90-day warranty parts, just painted a different color.  You're paying about 50% higher price that their lifetime part and they're betting you won't need to replace it.  I've never would have been able to collect on a warranty replacement on anything I've ever purchased.

[T-boss 410]

I suspect that the parts (or at least some of them) at a dealership are the same as those at a parts store. I have seen chain parts stores delivering parts to dealerships. 

What a ripoff!

[Joe Breaux]

and people say I'm too hard on Chinese manufacturing?   I also suggest you take your original to your local Automotive Electrical repair shop. Let them rebuild THAT one .. My local shop rebuilt a starter for $59 that Ford wanted $425 for new . Its been working for 6 years now 

[Dan B]

If you have the Kawasaki Mule with an 800cc gas engine, then even though Kawasaki is a Japanese brand, that engine is a Chery engine from China.  Trouble is, most of my parts I have to eventually get from China.  Few parts are available in the US.  I've found some parts I needed for my ride on Amazon.com..  If you go there, be sure to check the sellers ratings.  One seller for Kawasaki parts had a 69% favorable vs 31% unfavorale (I look for 95% or better favorable).  You might find the starter you need for about $60.

[Travis]

well the rain has finally stopped. maybe i can get it today.

[T-boss 410]

Good luck, and let us know how it goes. 

[Travis]

CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK.

I'm going to buy a new Arrowhead starter for $80 from a small engine repair shop,... I'm not taking that starter off one more time only to not have what i do work. im sick of it, i've  had that starter off 8 times in 2 weeks. i have busted knuckles to prove it. On the plus side i am now an expert on starter removal and can have it off 2 minutes, LOL!

there's got to be something not aligned right with that starter, because just a few taps with the the hammer and it starts right up.

 

[T-boss 410]

I'm sorry to hear that. Could it be somehow binding up when you tighten it down? Maybe the body of the starter is somehow bending a small amount when you torque it down, and tapping it with a hammer loosens it enough to crank over? You said it spins fine when you tested it off the machine, correct?

[Joe Breaux]

that starter was proudly built by the same guy who made my exceptional quality Hisun head gasket and head ..

[T-boss 410]

Joe's a real critic when it comes to Chinese ingenuity 😜 LOL 

[Travis]

4 hours ago, T-boss 410 said:

I'm sorry to hear that. Could it be somehow binding up when you tighten it down? Maybe the body of the starter is somehow bending a small amount when you torque it down, and tapping it with a hammer loosens it enough to crank over? You said it spins fine when you tested it off the machine, correct?

yep, spun fine not bolted up.   I think this arrowhead starter ought to do pretty good from Jacks.  I was told by a friend who is a Briggs dealer that they manufacture alot of the starters and switches etc. for Briggs and  Kohler.

 

[Travis]

3 hours ago, Joe Breaux said:

that starter was proudly built by the same guy who made my exceptional quality Hisun head gasket and head ..

I'll bet $10,000,000 that i don't have you're right!

 

[Mackc]

17 hours ago, T-boss 410 said:

I'm sorry to hear that. Could it be somehow binding up when you tighten it down? Maybe the body of the starter is somehow bending a small amount when you torque it down, and tapping it with a hammer loosens it enough to crank over? You said it spins fine when you tested it off the machine, correct?

 

13 hours ago, Travis said:

yep, spun fine not bolted up.   I think this arrowhead starter ought to do pretty good from Jacks.  I was told by a friend who is a Briggs dealer that they manufacture alot of the starters and switches etc. for Briggs and  Kohler.

 

Have you checked the battery with a battery load tester, My Craftsman riding mower starter went CLICK,Click,Qruick, Qurick and after pulling al  the covers etc,etc, then checking how much a starter costs, load tested the battery and it had a bad cell, new battery fixed everything

[Travis]

15 minutes ago, Mackc said:

 

Have you checked the battery with a battery load tester, My Craftsman riding mower starter went CLICK,Click,Qruick, Qurick and after pulling al  the covers etc,etc, then checking how much a starter costs, load tested the battery and it had a bad cell, new battery fixed everything

Not with a load tester, but i have checked the voltage drop when it does click, it only drops to 11.9 volts. Which is what i get on a good battery in my rider mower when i tested it, And when it does start, it spins over easily.

The battery is new from the dealer as of March this year.

[T-boss 410]

Has there been any progress on the starter?

[Joe Breaux]

I need a new anchor for my boat... lol how much does it weigh?

[Travis]

2 hours ago, T-boss 410 said:

Has there been any progress on the starter?

the place i ordered it from had to order it from Arrowhead (the manufacturer) supposed to ship on the 12th or 13th

[Travis]

1 hour ago, Joe Breaux said:

I need a new anchor for my boat... lol how much does it weigh?

you can have it, i'll even provide the rope!!! lol

[T-boss 410]

I thought you already had the starter gear?

[Travis]

33 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said:

I thought you already had the starter gear?

i did, i put it on, it didn't work.

starter still sounds terrible and clicks, so i ordered a new Name brand starter.

[Joe Breaux]

send both with rope.. my boat is large ..lolol

[T-boss 410]

Sorry, didn't know that. I guess if you want a name brand, you'll be paying for it. I hope it's not too expensive. 

[Mackc]

Does it ever turn the engine over at all ?

If not pull the sparkplug out to relieve the compression and try the starter, I bet it may be the battery, cable or solinoid .

Hey, I am over 80 years old been working on cars and trucks ever since I was a pup.   I rebuilt the engine on my 1930 Ford model A when I was 12, and I still got stymied with a 12 volt battery with some bad cells. and a leaking carb float valve that filled my single cylinder engine's cylinder with gasoline (guess what....gasoline don't compress)  while it was parked for a month.   I  have been learning new stuff forever.  I am not a big fan of Japanese and Chinese 4 cycle  Internal Combustion engine designs. 😒

[Travis]

@Mackc

 yes sir, the engine turns over great once the starter engages it. and spins over fairly easy  by hand like any other small engine in this HP range.

 

[Travis]

5 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said:

Sorry, didn't know that. I guess if you want a name brand, you'll be paying for it. I hope it's not too expensive. 

It's made by Arrowhead, $80.00, they're not top of the line  (Like Denso) but it's better than Wee Fewl Yu from china.

[T-boss 410]

Is this a rebuilt unit, or new? Seems I remember them making starters for mowers. 

[Travis]

14 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said:

Is this a rebuilt unit, or new? Seems I remember them making starters for mowers. 

Brand new,

yes, according to a friend who is a Briggs tech, they make some starters and other electrical components for Briggs and Kohler, and also for the aftermarket seller Stens.