T-boss 410 Posted December 11, 2020 Share #121 Posted December 11, 2020 So this should be a well built and dependable unit, I would expect. I have never had an issue with a starter on any of my mowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Breaux Posted December 11, 2020 Share #122 Posted December 11, 2020 9 hours ago, Travis said: It's made by Arrowhead, $80.00, they're not top of the line (Like Denso) but it's better than Wee Fewl Yu from china. lol Wee Fewl Yu brand ...lol is that a division of Trickem Dickem and Howe ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share #123 Posted December 11, 2020 11 hours ago, T-boss 410 said: So this should be a well built and dependable unit, I would expect. I have never had an issue with a starter on any of my mowers. It better be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted December 11, 2020 Share #124 Posted December 11, 2020 Fingers crossed 🤞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share #125 Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, T-boss 410 said: Fingers crossed 🤞 if it ain't quality, i'll use it as an anchor for the head engineer at arrowhead...😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted December 11, 2020 Share #126 Posted December 11, 2020 Lol! Is it at least USA made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 11, 2020 Author Share #127 Posted December 11, 2020 43 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said: Lol! Is it at least USA made? Not sure. They seem to take alot of pride in being an American company on their website so, probably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted December 11, 2020 Share #128 Posted December 11, 2020 Well, that ain't actually a good thing, is it? Still being manufactured by kids with inadequate materials and poor (if any) quality control, unless Arrowhead has someone there who keeps a close eye on the process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverbullett Posted December 12, 2020 Share #129 Posted December 12, 2020 6 hours ago, T-boss 410 said: Well, that ain't actually a good thing, is it? Still being manufactured by kids with inadequate materials and poor (if any) quality control, unless Arrowhead has someone there who keeps a close eye on the process. amen brother! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenfain Posted December 12, 2020 Share #130 Posted December 12, 2020 Travis, have you checked for internal corrosion in the battery cable? Sometimes they get corroded, and unless the outer sleeve partly exposes the bare wire, it can be otherwise impossible to see. That severely limits the amount of current that's available to the starter. It would still work great on the bench. But not have enough current available under load. It's a longshot, but it does happen. As to rebuilding the old starter. You can use the new starter that didn't work out, as a donor. No rebuild kit needed, and just reuse the factory, heavy duty armature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 12, 2020 Author Share #131 Posted December 12, 2020 the starter spins the engine over with no problem at all, it's just getting it to engage with the flywheel, the outer sleeve of the big + is partly exposed at the starter end, the copper wire looks brand new there. I'll have to get a recording of what it does, it's usually "click, click, click, (finally engages and turns over) and when the starter gear is retracting, something makes a awful noise, sounds like cat stuck in a fan or something. it doesn't sound like gears grinding, but something rubbing or catching in the starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan B Posted December 13, 2020 Share #132 Posted December 13, 2020 Do you know if anyone has been into the engine before? Check the flywheel. Or maybe the flywheel was installed backwards from the factory. BillStMax (YouTuber) was working on a tractor and he mentioned that the flywheel has the gear teeth beveled on one side, not beveled on the other side. It's not much of a bevel, but just enough. That bevel is to allow the Bendix to more easily engage the flywheel. I know, it's a long shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share #133 Posted December 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Dan B said: Do you know if anyone has been into the engine before? Check the flywheel. Or maybe the flywheel was installed backwards from the factory. BillStMax (YouTuber) was working on a tractor and he mentioned that the flywheel has the gear teeth beveled on one side, not beveled on the other side. It's not much of a bevel, but just enough. That bevel is to allow the Bendix to more easily engage the flywheel. I know, it's a long shot. I rebuilt the engine 2 years ago, and installed a new kawasaki flywheel as the old ones teeth were wore pretty bad. and the flywheel can only go on one way as it houses the magnets for the alternator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share #134 Posted December 13, 2020 i may cancel this order in and order it from DB electrical since they're back in stock at their website. I've already waited 2 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted December 13, 2020 Share #135 Posted December 13, 2020 Yeah, I would do that. Hopefully you can get your hands on a new one soon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 13, 2020 Author Share #136 Posted December 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said: Yeah, I would do that. Hopefully you can get your hands on a new one soon. i hope so too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted December 13, 2020 Share #137 Posted December 13, 2020 Is Arrowhead the exclusive manufacturer of starters for small engines, or are they a rebuilding company? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share #138 Posted December 14, 2020 13 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said: Is Arrowhead the exclusive manufacturer of starters for small engines, or are they a rebuilding company? manufacturer they make small engine stuff all the way to car alternators etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share #139 Posted December 15, 2020 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted December 15, 2020 Share #140 Posted December 15, 2020 Good for you! Hopefully it will arrive soon and you can be back on the trails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 15, 2020 Author Share #141 Posted December 15, 2020 1 hour ago, T-boss 410 said: Good for you! Hopefully it will arrive soon and you can be back on the trails. it will probably be in before my tires! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share #142 Posted December 22, 2020 New starter was just delivered. It even came with a QCtest report Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share #143 Posted December 22, 2020 One thing i noticed, this starter gear, I can move it by hand clock wise or counter clockwise. I couldn't on the other one. And that what allows the gears to mesh is the movement CW or CCw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted December 22, 2020 Share #144 Posted December 22, 2020 So the other starter was binding up? Did you install the new one yet? Just curious about how different it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 22, 2020 Author Share #145 Posted December 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, T-boss 410 said: So the other starter was binding up? Did you install the new one yet? Just curious about how different it is. no, i will probably install it later tonight, need to use the mule for a few things today. but the new start gear and shaft will spin both ways, the old starter i noticed previously, it would only spin one way. so i guess it not being able to rotate opposite of the shaft rotation is probably causing binding. we'll find out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackc Posted December 22, 2020 Share #146 Posted December 22, 2020 On 11/14/2020 at 7:37 PM, Travis said: I have no idea what to do... started up great 3 times, then click click click click. I get 12.75 volts at the trigger wire, and 12.75 volts at the + post on the solenoid (drops to just above 12v when starting) with the key in the start position. If it were the relay i doubt i would get full battery voltage on the trigger wire. i do not think its the neutral switch since when i put in F or R with the key in the start position the solenoid clicks back since power is cut to it, then clicks again when i put it back to neutral. I even re-tested the starter circuit relay, it checks out good. Actually a full battery should show 13.6 +or- VDC so you are ok, just need to use a load battery checker to see if your battery puts out the volts and amps it is supposed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share #147 Posted December 23, 2020 yes sir, the battery has tested good. i cant' say i've ever heard of mule battery or lawn tractor battery sitting at 13+ volts. my cub cadet battery usually sits around 12.5-12.8 on the cubs meter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share #148 Posted December 23, 2020 got the new starter on, i turned it over about 20 times for a second or two at a time as to not burn out a new starter, lol, and it never clicked once, spun it right up everytime!! and this is the first starter i've ever purchased that came with a Quality control PASS paper. I'm glad this is all behind me, this new starter sounds so much better than that old POS. But here's what i've been saying to myself the last month or so, " it could be worse, Travis. I could have a Massimo" LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-boss 410 Posted December 23, 2020 Share #149 Posted December 23, 2020 Hey, that ain't right!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travis Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share #150 Posted December 23, 2020 8 starts on the mule today and so far so good!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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